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Set-Tetu-Ra
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14/02/2020 10:29 pm  

Cosmic horror is basically what you think of when you think "HP Lovecraft". The universe is filled with these God(s) beyond comprehension and far removed from our morals, etc. If you haven't looked into the Lovecraft/Thelema connection I highly suggest "The Dark Lord" by Levenda, at least the first few chapters (those more specific to Grant are, well... It's Grant).

The Book of the Law and Thelema definitely presents what, to the uninitiated especially, is cosmic horror. The idea that all existence, even suffering and imorality, is pure joy to the All is very cosmic horror. The idea of unseen beings changing rulership and controlling the world is cosmic horror. Secret cults ruling the world through occult law is weird fiction. I really think understanding Lovecraftian beings like Azathoth help us understand a mystical world view.

For instance take the problem of evil. In Thelema evil must solely exist on a terrestrial level, as ALL is of and from Nuit and returns to her. So when we are faced with the PoE, the most honest response is evil exists because to God ALL THINGS are pure joy, all experience. If that doesn't make you sound like a Cthulhu cultist to atheists and most Theists...

93, 93/93

10 = 1&0

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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What are your thoughts on tentacles?


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14/02/2020 11:29 pm  

@ignant666

They are as cool as they are weird and freaky. Squids were my favorite even before I knew of Lovecraft haha.

 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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14/02/2020 11:45 pm  

@set-tetu-ra

I like your post, I'm just too old to use the "Like" button.

Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

the problem of evil

and the like, everyone has to resolve for him-her-it/self, before the Abyss. See Liber CDLXXIV, point 10.

Just a few quotes...

"I say madness is too pure like mother sky...

Life and mother sky
And mother sky..."

(Can—Mother Sky)

 

"(...)white poppies touched my forehead, at times,
Drove the pain from my mind with its strange scent.
But all that’s transient. (...)
Sleep is good: and Death is better, yet
Surely never to have been born is best."

(Heinrich Heine—Morphine)

(pretty buddhistic with candies...)

 

"(...) But the best men, the true men, do not consider the matter in such terms at all. Whatever horrors may afflict the soul, whatever abominations may excite the loathing of the heart, whatever terrors may assail the mind, the answer is the same at every stage: "How splendid is the Adventure!" "

(AC—TBoT, on the Atu XVIII)


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15/02/2020 1:55 am  

" The serious pursuit of magic—as of shamanism, of Tantra—requires that your point of view shift to that of the source of the knowledge. It requires that you abandon your safe place. Otherwise you are only standing at the edge of the Abyss and taking quick glances over the side. There is no information in that pose, no initiation possible in a state of suspended animation. You must enter a place where all the cool academic theories no longer obtain, where the comforting “it's all in your head” platitudes and attitudes have no meaning—because your head, your body, your soul and spirit are all fully engaged in ways they never have been before, and it is not what you expected when you bought the ticket. "
"The Dark Lord" by Levenda pg295

" Set has his throne in the deepest, darkest recesses of the human unconscious. And the human unconscious is the gateway to all the other zones of reality that comprise the magician's neighborhood. He's in deep, but that's because we've put him there. If human beings are social animals, and need society to feel safe and comfortable and to sleep their way through existence, then Set needs to be suppressed. And when Set is suppressed, then everything connected to Set is suppressed. And that's how most of us live.It's not a very magical approach to life.But it's safe. "
"The Dark Lord" by Levenda pg290


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15/02/2020 2:31 am  

"Why do magic, then, when you can drop acid? Or undergo a few years of depth analysis? Or go into a trance watching television or listening to your iPod?

"There was only one thing left and it was the hallmark of ceremonial magic.

"Communication with the Unseen. Traffic with extraterrestrial beings. Dinner dates with the discarnate." 

(The Duck Lord, Lavenda, p.171 of the pdf release)

@set-tetu-ra

thank you for the recommendation.


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15/02/2020 4:07 am  
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"Why do magic, then, when you can drop acid?

This is exactly what U.G. said.

The thing is, you get the experience, but you don't gain the control necessary to operate in the not-Acid world ... but said control can be gained by doing the practices, like all good aspirants do.

 


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15/02/2020 1:45 pm  

I personally wonder how much the emphasis on Set is in itself a demonic distraction from thelema and Ra-Hoor-Khuit? Are we not supposed to relish force and fire as heads of state and armies? Is not war and the torture of ones (psyche) enemies horrible enough? The only real 'becoming' with Set is quite literally madness and reasons metaphysical and political kept Set fully repressed in the terrarum antiqua when the solar cult was at it's zenith. Change my mind. 😎 

Force and Fire is not metaphorical. In Prophetes Veritas Venit.


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15/02/2020 2:38 pm  

@runelogix

 

I will try :). I'm a few minutes I'll share my "Debunking Satanic Setianism" in this forum for discussion!

 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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15/02/2020 6:35 pm  

Lovecraftian Horror, as it has been related to me, is predicated on the smallness and insignificance of man in a universe he once believed centered on his consciousness. This is inimical to Thelema and every other mystical system, which are founded not on any penny-dreadful pulp fictions but on the very real philosophical precepts which one might find earliest in the metaphysical dialogues of Plato or the Upanishads, which are themselves only the earliest written renditions of a 'knowledge' man has possessed since he could first think. One precept rises above the others for my purposes in making this post, and it's that which the magician adduces when referring to himself as the 'microcosm' and which Nietzsche encapsulated less technically but more philosophically when describing Plato's great arcanum as, "I am truth."

I'll admit I don't know a fraction certain other posters do of Grant's Typhonian cosmology, some of whom had the pleasure of knowing the man, and others the simple privilege of buying his trilogies before they cost hundreds of dollars a book. That having been said, I'm sure when he makes reference to something being unknowable, it's because the faculty of reason has no avenue to grasp the thing, making it universally and objectively unknowable (apart from the knowledge it's unknowable, but this moves away from my point). God himself could not understand that which is fundamentally defined as being unknowable, and the Platonists and Neoplatonists and I would imagine the Gnostics all had ideas analogous to this. To contrast, in "cosmic horror" when reference is made to something being unknowable, and madness being the result of even trying to apply reason to the thing, it's just because the human organism is too stupid to handle it, and human reason (notably divorced from any platonic notion of reason, as issuing from the divine) is simply insufficient.


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15/02/2020 8:34 pm  
Posted by: @djedi

I'm sure when he makes reference to something being unknowable, it's because the faculty of reason has no avenue to grasp the thing, making it universally and objectively unknowable

Right. This is because the "unknowable" thing resides in another dimension ... at least one dimension more than the mind can examine or grasp.


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15/02/2020 8:37 pm  

I think with this topic it gets misunderstood on the point that it's cosmic horror *to the uninitiated*. The actual cosmic horror practitioners certainly don't see themselves as insignificant, and many of those beings rely on humans to enter our world. 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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15/02/2020 11:56 pm  

Thelema and Lovecraft?  Lovecraft just doesn't appeal to me and I don't find it necessary to explore him likewise Stephen King and Thelema have no inherent connection.  If it's your trip then roll with it but there's no objective relationship.


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16/02/2020 12:00 am  
Posted by: @runelogix

I personally wonder how much the emphasis on Set is in itself a demonic distraction from thelema and Ra-Hoor-Khuit? Are we not supposed to relish force and fire as heads of state and armies? Is not war and the torture of ones (psyche) enemies horrible enough? The only real 'becoming' with Set is quite literally madness and reasons metaphysical and political kept Set fully repressed in the terrarum antiqua when the solar cult was at it's zenith. Change my mind. 😎 

Thanks for posting what are actually quite relevant questions or rather observations posed as questions. Regarding your ensuing statement, it might be useful to further flesh out your thoughts in a bit more detail as it would appear that your intuitions warrant the effort. 


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16/02/2020 1:06 am  
Posted by: @dom

Thelema and Lovecraft?  Lovecraft just doesn't appeal to me and I don't find it necessary to explore him likewise Stephen King and Thelema have no inherent connection.  If it's your trip then roll with it but there's no objective relationship.

While I don't disagree, your premise ignores the crossing of paths in the Typhonian tradition which is substantial and common among Grant devotees. The contemporary workings of these people and the ensuing qaballah should not be dismissed outright but tested for spiritual truth.

Thanks for posting what are actually quite relevant questions or rather observations posed as questions. Regarding your ensuing statement, it might be useful to further flesh out your thoughts in a bit more detail as it would appear that your intuitions warrant the effort. 

Thank you. Personally I think I have said all that I can as this is not a topic I am well versed in. This reminds me of the place that Ken Grant makes the bold claim that:

Nuit, Hadit, Ra-Hoor-Khuit, Abrahadabra, Therion (the Beast), and Babalon, are the vital elements of this Tradition when stripped of all inessentials. The subtle concept Hoor-paar Kraat, or Set, of whom Aiwaz claims to be the ‘minister,’ and with whom he is for all practical purposes identical, is of great complexity."
For the truth in this matter I think can only be reached by appealing to AC's writings (Tunis Comment). I don't claim to have any initiated opinions on the matter but for myself I choose to focus exclusively to pursue the light and I reject darkness and complexity out of hand.
(unsure why my post aligns right, I can't seem to fix it.)

Force and Fire is not metaphorical. In Prophetes Veritas Venit.


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16/02/2020 2:23 am  
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my post aligns right, I can't seem to fix it.

Not the first time, is it?


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17/02/2020 12:26 am  
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[...F]or myself I choose to focus exclusively to pursue the light and I reject darkness and complexity out of hand.

On first sight this exclusivity looks a bit unbalanced and completely shunning of your shadow side! (Does this mean that you might actually be - like Kenneth Grant would put it - in reality "Against the Light" then?)

Enquiringly yours,

NormaN Ioy Conquest

 


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10/03/2020 7:41 am  

@shiva Right. This is because the "unknowable" thing resides in another dimension ... at least one dimension more than the mind can examine or grasp.

is that all minds? or is there minds that can/could/have/will examine or grasp this.

grasp as in comprehend/understand or grasp as in hold with a very leetle pair of pliers to examine?

do you know and/or anyone else you know, know this unknowable thing ?

once you said something like balancing, staying sane and getting through this is a right royal feat... would that mean that certain lineage or a certain "family" can get through and get to know this unknowable thing?

 

@Set-Tetu-Ra To contrast, in "cosmic horror" when reference is made to something being unknowable, and madness being the result of even trying to apply reason to the thing, it's just because the human organism is too stupid to handle it, and human reason (notably divorced from any platonic notion of reason, as issuing from the divine) is simply insufficient.

if human reason is insufficient how does that equate with Runelogix speaking of rejecting darkness and complexity?

 would it be possible that human eyes are designed/thwarted not to see such cosmic horror except by peripheral vision?

@Runelogix  I choose to focus exclusively to pursue the light and I reject darkness and complexity out of hand.

@jamiejbarter(Does this mean that you might actually be - like Kenneth Grant would put it - in reality "Against the Light" then?)

@Runelogix 

I am interested to see your answer to Jamie's Enquiry... I am still a beginner around here and meandering along ...I have questions I will appreciate your answer if you could...

simply put .. what would you describe darkness as being?

and what would your description be of the light you chase? 

do you equate it as being light= good  darkness = bad

does complexity mean convoluted versus simple in this context you speak of?

 

I asked the other day when discussing the vastly expanded consciousness of an amazing young person, the vision he saw, the tiny atoms, the abuse and strangeness that he had been subjected to... what was it like with a collective consciousness having everyone else inside his head instead of peace and silence.

His rebound reply before he had time to think was, I dont know, I have never had that peace.. he looked puzzled.. I smiled...

 

 

reference point / similarity /thought train

NEXUS vol. 26, no. 4 (June–July 2019) Toxoplasma Gondii: A behaviour-changing parasite
This parasite has the ability to change the behaviour of its host in a very spectacular way. Professor Robert Sapolsky examines the process by which this occurs and contemplates how this information may be used in future medical developments—even warfare.


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10/03/2020 10:22 pm  
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is that all minds? or is there minds that can/could/have/will examine or grasp this.

It is very astute (smart guy) to ask this, for it leads right into the final frontier of the so-called Spiritual Path.

There is but one ultimate "mind." It is the same for everyone. It contains any and all possible thought, past, presemt, andfuture. It is called "the thought sphere" or "the akashic records." In its totality, it is the Universal Mind of Atma, which is Hindu-speak foe the Universal self, who we Thelemites call the True self.

Okay? That's background info. Now we have a variety of individual dorks, animal robots, who include you, me, and all the other dorks.

Each dork has a brain/mind, which is similar to, or the same as, everyone else's dork-mind. But each individual has different DNA, so the "receiver" in their brain is "tuned" differently ... and it's different strokes for different folks.

Some dorks tire of dorkdom, and they go looking (Student).

Some Students find something they like and they start practicing (Probationer).

Many Probationers make it to the real first degree (Neophyte), which is The Vision of Adonai, aka The Vision of the Holy Guardian Angel.

Now the Neophyte wants to talk to that HGA (a term for The Higher Self), so he or she gets serious about the practices. Many Philosophers get blown away at Netzach (because their culturally-imposed programming is stronger than they are).

For those who persist, they get to talk to the HGA (at tiphareth). Goodbye Guru, hello guidance from the HGA.

All "results" due to anything mentioned above come via dhyana (meditation. Yes, some things can be figured out mentally, but that's just "thinking" and is not the direct "result" I am discussing.

"Dhyana is an absolute knock-out blow to the mind," wrote AC in Book 4. One concentrates on something (dharana), and if they "lose" themselves in the object of concentration (dhyana), they disappear. When they recover from the temporary ego-loss, they will retain an image, or a concept, and the resuscitated mind will seize on that image or concept, and proceed to "make sense" of it ... by thinking.

Sometimes the ego-mind will then take credit for solving or creating something, but it didn't. It got slain in the process, but bounced back with data.

So there is the first answer.... no human mind survives a dhyana. But it "reincarnates" soon after. There are a lotta things to do in this middle "Adeptus" stage, but they are all based on various objects of dhyana. By the time one gets to Cheded, he/she "will have attained all but the supreme summit of meditation," as O.M. tells us in One Star in Sight.

By the way, some form of dhyana usually occurs to Students or Probationers. Sometimes a spontaneous flash is what starts them on the Path. But it is usually neither controlled or invoked.

All of this (above) is still background data. All of it involves the mind (and its temporary loss).

When the Adeptus enters the Abyss, his or her ego is said to be permanently destroyed/annihilated, and the ego is the core of the rational mind. All Babes in the Bathwater Abyss undergo a certain insanity.

If this works out properly, the new Magister enters samadhi, which is dhyana, but not on  one object, but on the whole. People who act from this level are said to be effortless (wu-wei: Doing without [mental] effort).

Again, the dork-mind plays no part in what takes place. However, the higher, abstract mind plays a part in this (as a receptor, not as the instigator).

Everything is spelled out for us in the clearest language, except for one, seemingly unsurmountable, gap: There is no path from Chesed to Binah.

I beg to differ. Of course there is a connection between Binah and Chesed. It's just that it is, by definition and by the reality of what happens, not definable or explainable ... without introducing some non-rational concept. Then people laugh at you and think your screws have been loosened (they have).

This mysterious, unexplainable connection is made through Da'ath, which is Indra's Net, and the Star Sponge, as AC termed it. It is a realization, by the conscious mind, that there is no difference between any one thing and any other thing. All things are the same thing and they are all connected.

This [^] is the last rational realization, and then the mind falters (it cannot differentiate any more) and gives up (in a receptive state). The human mind can partake of these samadhi episodes (as long as it's anesthetized into inaction).

This level of awareness is termed gnosis (direct perception. No mind involved). It is the Universal Mind of the True Self.

As far as I can tell, any human mind can "get" all this, or at least pick up the pieces afterward and make sense out of it. If one does the work of alignment and balance. Not many get to the higher stages.

The consciousness will return to the abstract mind, and the dork has to eat and drink, so the vehicle gets entangled in matter again. The "permanent" annihilation of the ego is at a high level, but once it takes place, the vehicle (who is re-engulfed in ego) should easily be able to repeat the experience. This is what is meant by the term, "A Master of Samadhi."

After all these levels have been "attained," there is one last stage. That's where the Atma-Universal-True Self (the real "Higher Self") is seen to be illusion. Where does that leave us? Nirvana. Nothing. But still living and walking around.

The final view is that no matter what level one is at, there is always a perception of something higher. The limit seems to be imposed at Chokmah. Upon passing to Kether, even the Universal mind is removed.

To be sure, there are states associated with the three Ains, and they can register on the mind, but they are so subtle that the main systems don't grant 11th and 12th degrees because, frankly, they're out of reach. The last one, Ain, Nothing, 61, is nirvana. But there is still awareness. Probably no thoughts.

Yes, all this can be comprehended by the initiate, but as long as there is any form of awareness, there is an overshadowing presence that nobody can define. All the far-out guys indicate that the source cannot be known.

We left the rational human mind back at the first dhyana, we left awareness of samadhi when Atma was revealed as a fakir. But we never get over the sense that something bigger is still beyond us.

Any mind has the potential to realize all this. Go out now, before the virus arrives, and convert all your neighbors. Good luck on that, by the way.

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once you said something like balancing, staying sane and getting through this is a right royal feat... would that mean that certain lineage or a certain "family" can get through and get to know this unknowable thing?

One cannot get through even some of the earlier stages and remain sane. The realization that your rational sanity has fled the coop is the sign to let go of solving anything and letting the next level of awareness arise of its own accord. Any lineage that can get anyone to Tiphareth is valid. After that, one does not rely on the Guru or the Hierophant. It doesn't matter which school anyone went to if they get to chat with the Higher Self and get directions.

There are some really scary Outer Orders out there, administered by egomaniacs, but even those might work, if one simply does the work. Other Outer Orders, those who have a real, living 8=3 upstairs, and whose Adepts are not the wrong kind of insane, can be valuable in transmitting the current more efficiently.

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 would it be possible that human eyes are designed/thwarted not to see such cosmic horror except by peripheral vision?

No, one can see these things directly. Each level of our being is opaque to the next level. Its density prevents seeing the more subtle levels. It's not peripheral vision, but one does have to throw their vision/perception "out pf focus" to see/perceive beyond. There is no technique for doing this, so this is one of the real "secrets" that cannot be revealed, because it cannot be explained.

 

This has been a lot of writing about a simple question.


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all this can be comprehended by the initiate, but as long as there is any form of awareness, there is an overshadowing presence that nobody can define. 

hmm .... firstly is this why you say be nothing/no one/nobody? because they (nobody) can define

one thing I often say, there is no such thing as nothing.. the thought of this nothing,= logos and because of consciousness of this nothing, AKA search to see/know/learn................ this nothing becomes something, a nothing. Nothing is named as a something, namely nothing.

Firstly  we examine, AKA Thothize nothing by recording attributes of nothing....The Schematics of nothing

by the very actions of thothizing nothing, we measure nothing, we test nothing, we fill nothing, expand nothing till soon we have a standardization of the thothizing of NOTHING. There are things that Nothing is and there is things that nothing isn't. In the beginning ra emerged from the waters of NUN, In the beginning. Nothing is Born from herself

Consciousness wakens and stirs from it's sleep...

https://mayet.com.au/20-the-birth-of-an-universe-of-nun/

hmmm

All the far-out guys indicate that the source cannot be known.

must be a guy thing,

 

No, one can see these things directly. Each level of our being is opaque to the next level. Its density prevents seeing the more subtle levels. It's not peripheral vision, but one does have to throw their vision/perception "out pf focus" to see/perceive beyond.

yes ..it seems sometimes that our eyes cannot focus in .. then other times the wave forms shift preventing focus... be back soon going to town...

There is no technique for doing this, so this is one of the real "secrets" that cannot be revealed, because it cannot be explained.

 


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11/03/2020 7:29 pm  
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hmm .... firstly is this why you say be nothing/no one/nobody? because they (nobody) can define

No human person, including people who have the ability to attain nothing (the Void), can explain what is going on in these samadhi states. They may give long explanations, but normal minds cannot comprehend what they are saying because ...
(A) There is always some form of a paradox involved, and
(B) Everyone interprets what the read or hear according to what the data means to them.

The interesting thing is that people who can slip into these "expanded, non-local states do have the ability to radiate or transfer their state to other people. This is why crowds gather to sit in silence around "holy" men and women. This is called "direct transmission" and the mind is not involved.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but your side of this dialog seems to be bringing up multiple negatives in order to determine if a/any/all human minds can comprehend and explain the absolute truth.

If this is true, and I were your Zen Master (which I am not), I would hit you with my stick. As an alternative, I recommend Liber 333 and any Zen koans or Zen tales you can lay your hands on.

 


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11/03/2020 8:18 pm  

Student: What is the Buddha nature?

Master: Buddha is a DRIED SHIT STICK!! [cuffs student upside the head]

I have no idea what a "dried shit stick" may be, unless old-time Japanese used to use sticks for the same purpose for which Muslims use an odd number of flat rocks.

But this is my favorite Zen dialogue. When your mind is able to understand this, and hear the sound of one hand clapping, it will be able to rationally explain what Nothing is.

But of course

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No human person, including people who have the ability to attain nothing (the Void), can explain what is going on in these samadhi states.

That is why it is sometimes said that "NEMO" enters/experiences these states/trances. No man or woman does so, just as your lawnmower does not answer the phone.

Human persons who are sometimes "NEMO" can try to relate them in language- see The Vision and The Voice, the other "Holy Books" (besides AL), and much of the A.'. A.'. Student list.

But those stories, explanations, and poetic screeds are not the thing described, because it is not a thing:

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there is no such thing as nothing.

Correct. It is Nothing, not a thing.

An analogy is that zero is a number, that is the absence of any countable thing. It is infinitely divisible, but never diminished (a mathematician pal explained this to me as "If you have no beer, how hard is it to give every living human an equal share of the beer you have?").


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11/03/2020 11:08 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

your lawnmower does not answer the phone.

My lawnmower can be adapted with modern and post-modern Borg devices to answer the phone. But a human mind cannot enter samadhi, except in a neutral state.

Note: "Neutral" as in an automobile transmission in "neutral." (not connected).

Oh, wait. I don't have a lawnmower. Never mind.

(That's a good phrase to remember, maybe mantraize: "Never Mind).

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there is no such thing as nothing.

Ig replies ...  Correct. It is Nothing, not a thing.

Synonyms include: Empty, Void. No brainwave frequencies.

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how hard is it to give every living human an equal share of the beer you have?

Easy. Yes, we have no beer-nanas, we have no beer-nanas today. No beer here, so nothing divided by everyone is still nothing.

 


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20/03/2020 7:20 am  

No beer here, so nothing divided by everyone is still nothing.

 

Would that then make "nothing" the most unchanging "solid" anchor point of the universe


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20/03/2020 4:34 pm  
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Would that then make "nothing" the most unchanging "solid" anchor point of the universe

Yes.


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20/03/2020 5:12 pm  

Yes.

 

Is this Nuit? 


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20/03/2020 6:42 pm  
Posted by: @thelemis

Would that then make "nothing" the most unchanging "solid" anchor point of the universe

Hmm... Interesting. If that's the case then things like "non-local" communication become possible: as everything is connected to this nothing, you could send a message through it, it taking no time (or distance) to pass through and come out the other side. If only some one could find this "connection point".


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20/03/2020 7:24 pm  
Posted by: @dom

Is this Nuit? 

No. She shall be known, and I never." It is Hadit who is playing the Zen Master. Nuit says get out to the desert and come on up, y'all.

Posted by: @duck

If only some one could find this "connection point".

It is called Da'ath.

 


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20/03/2020 7:36 pm  

@shiva

 

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a morse code answer.

@duck 

Hmm... Interesting. If that's the case then things like "non-local" communication become possible: as everything is connected to this nothing, you could send a message through it, it taking no time (or distance) to pass through and come out the other side. If only some one could find this "connection point"

 

Yeah sure, so why do you want to become Uri Geller? 

 


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20/03/2020 7:37 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

It is called Da'ath

Nice. It seems you found the "non-material" connection point, can we find a "material" one too? (can I plug my USB cable into this "nothing"?) It would be fun to build Starships now as well as all the "spiritual stuff".

 

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Uri Geller? 

Not sure he'd be my first choice. Maybe I've just been influenced by New-Age types who talk about this kind of thing.


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20/03/2020 9:12 pm  
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can we find a "material" one too? (can I plug my USB cable into this "nothing"?)

Sorry, Duck, there is no material plug-in. In other words, it all depends what you mean by the word "material." Nuit is material as we here are all material; in fact, everything is the body of Nuit.

Try do read Alfred Korzybski & to study the E-Prime (English Prime); it's been of the tremendous help in my Great Work. (you can start here: E-Prime in W.)

Otherwise, you can find many & various "connection points" in the astral, before the main one, mentioned by Shiva.


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21/03/2020 1:23 am  

@shiva

 

No. She shall be known, and I never." It is Hadit who is playing the Zen Master. Nuit says get out to the desert and come on up, y'all.

 

..and what of RHK in chapter 3?


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21/03/2020 1:37 am  

@dom

I guess he's just "that which remains" when the other two "annihilate" each other. A bit like the energy released in an matter/antimatter explosion. (that's just one way of looking at it, there are probably better ones)

 


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21/03/2020 2:39 am  
Posted by: @dom

..and what of RHK in chapter 3?

I dunno. What about it/him, the Warlord of the Galaxy? There was a discussion going about Nothing, and how it is the only refuge from cosmic horus horror.

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(can I plug my USB cable into this "nothing"?)

USB plugs and cables are dense matter. The electrical digits are pulses in etheric physical matter. If you could get your cable near a black hole, then the CERN scientists may be able to help you plug it in.

In the meantime, let me remind you that this Nothing is a mystical state. Mystics are trying to get liberated from matter, so they don't give a Shinola(TM) about USB cables.

If you want practical stuff, which I demand in puzzle renderings, you are talking Magic, which is applied externally.

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Nuit is material as we here are all material; in fact, everything is the body of Nuit.

Correct. Nuit is "substance," the yin aspect of the Great Breath (Tai Chi).

Posted by: @duck

he's just "that which remains" when the other two "annihilate" each other.

I like that one.

 

 


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21/03/2020 8:42 am  

as everything is connected to this nothing, you could send a message through it, it taking no time (or distance) to pass through and come out the other side.

ok well my thoughts would be no because then nothing becomes something but then this is something I am still learning to know. I must re read my "crazy" scratchings of Ain Ain Soph and Ain Sophur when I was transmuting last year.

What do you think? Not about me transmuting, that was an amazing fubar time but of my first sentence here..

If only some one could find this "connection point".

Maybe ones have. Maybe this is the abyss ?????


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21/03/2020 12:34 pm  

then nothing becomes something but then this is something I am still learning to know.

The Fool takes a breath and impregnates “ The Me” Vulture soaring through the Burning Ground.


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21/03/2020 12:40 pm  

"This inner authority acts in internal or external direction: messages, data, proposals. It is the functional aspect of how we make decisions, regardless of how the conscious mind gets involved, or how it likes to takes credit for the decision-making.
This inner authority is not developed by practices or by mentally concentrating upon it. It is a built-in, embedded mechanism. Once a person learns which "type" they are, they can learn to work more effectively with it.
Everyone has a different program for contacting the Angel, for conducting the dialog, and for separating the experience into gold and illusion.

It may hurt when the “imprint” is made. This is the contact point that creates one's gateway to, or “anchor point” on, the causal plane. It is an entryway into extraterrestrial realms.15 This is also known as "activating" the 5th, holistic, circuit. It can be cannabis-induced.

(15) This does not mean anyone will be abducted by aliens. It means access to
abstract thought forms that are not related to daily life on the hard surface."

Great PDF !

 


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21/03/2020 12:41 pm  

oops wrong thread

That was from the Short Path PDF by Shiva.


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21/03/2020 5:00 pm  
Posted by: @thelemis

Maybe ones have. Maybe this is the abyss ?????

Again, in case anyone missed it: The conn-point is called Da'ath, which is in the middle of the Abyss. It's vision is that of Indra's Net, called "Star-Sponge" by AC.

 


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31/03/2020 4:20 am  

I'm offline a few weeks and things blow up!

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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31/03/2020 6:48 am  
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I'm offline a few weeks and things blow up!

Yeah. Then it spilled over into a pandemic. On top of that, RTC's trying to release a controversial book before the internet goes down ... temporarily. Only three days predicted now, and it'll be phones and social media, not commerce. I'm just reporting, not predicting.

Okay, so let's pull this thread back on the tracks. What do you think? Is all this joyous pandemonium, now raging planet-wide, an effect of the Horus-Set myth, or is it the living myth itself?

 


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31/03/2020 7:37 am  

@set-tetu-ra

Good to see you're still with us, I was worried there for a minute.


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31/03/2020 10:39 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

What do you think? Is all this joyous pandemonium, now raging planet-wide, an effect of the Horus-Set myth, or is it the living myth itself?

cant it be both? cause=effect=cause

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01/04/2020 3:01 am  
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cant it be both? cause=effect=cause

This is true above the abyss.

Down here, it's one or the other, and the difference might be hard to tell. Choose ye now: RTC's book, or Toilet Paper. (Pretend you can't have both).


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02/04/2020 1:16 am  
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I personally wonder how much the emphasis on Set is in itself a demonic distraction from thelema and Ra-Hoor-Khuit? Are we not supposed to relish force and fire as heads of state and armies? Is not war and the torture of ones (psyche) enemies horrible enough? The only real 'becoming' with Set is quite literally madness and reasons metaphysical and political kept Set fully repressed in the terrarum antiqua when the solar cult was at it's zenith. Change my mind. 😎 

You have almost a later Egyptian / Temple of Set / Te Velde mindset, with Set as a bad guy. To the contrary he was originally a benevolent god worshipped by all classes. Many pharaohs even had Set as a patron, including Peribsen, Seti I and II, Rameses I, II, and III, etc. The demonization of Set is akin to the demonization of beings like Pan into Satan by christianity, except he retained the same name. Indeed Aiwaz is likely identical with Set, the son of Nuit, adoptive son of Ra, and step-brother of Horus. You should check out Deconstructing the Iconography of Set by Ian Taylor. There's pdfs on Google. 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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02/04/2020 1:18 am  
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Thelema and Lovecraft?  Lovecraft just doesn't appeal to me and I don't find it necessary to explore him likewise Stephen King and Thelema have no inherent connection.  If it's your trip then roll with it but there's no objective relationship.

The objective relationship was exposed by people like Kenneth Grant, and with much more clarity by Peter Levenda. 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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02/04/2020 1:27 am  

@duck there is no "matter", only the illusion of it.  All is Nuit and Nuit is immaterial consciousness, therefore All is immaterial consciousness. 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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