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Set-Tetu-Ra
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14/02/2020 10:29 pm  

Cosmic horror is basically what you think of when you think "HP Lovecraft". The universe is filled with these God(s) beyond comprehension and far removed from our morals, etc. If you haven't looked into the Lovecraft/Thelema connection I highly suggest "The Dark Lord" by Levenda, at least the first few chapters (those more specific to Grant are, well... It's Grant).

The Book of the Law and Thelema definitely presents what, to the uninitiated especially, is cosmic horror. The idea that all existence, even suffering and imorality, is pure joy to the All is very cosmic horror. The idea of unseen beings changing rulership and controlling the world is cosmic horror. Secret cults ruling the world through occult law is weird fiction. I really think understanding Lovecraftian beings like Azathoth help us understand a mystical world view.

For instance take the problem of evil. In Thelema evil must solely exist on a terrestrial level, as ALL is of and from Nuit and returns to her. So when we are faced with the PoE, the most honest response is evil exists because to God ALL THINGS are pure joy, all experience. If that doesn't make you sound like a Cthulhu cultist to atheists and most Theists...

93, 93/93

10 = 1&0

"seek me only! Then the joys of my love will redeem ye from all pain."

10 = 1 & 0


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14/02/2020 11:02 pm  

What are your thoughts on tentacles?


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14/02/2020 11:29 pm  

@ignant666

They are as cool as they are weird and freaky. Squids were my favorite even before I knew of Lovecraft haha.

 

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14/02/2020 11:45 pm  

@set-tetu-ra

I like your post, I'm just too old to use the "Like" button.

Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

the problem of evil

and the like, everyone has to resolve for him-her-it/self, before the Abyss. See Liber CDLXXIV, point 10.

Just a few quotes...

"I say madness is too pure like mother sky...

Life and mother sky
And mother sky..."

(Can—Mother Sky)

 

"(...)white poppies touched my forehead, at times,
Drove the pain from my mind with its strange scent.
But all that’s transient. (...)
Sleep is good: and Death is better, yet
Surely never to have been born is best."

(Heinrich Heine—Morphine)

(pretty buddhistic with candies...)

 

"(...) But the best men, the true men, do not consider the matter in such terms at all. Whatever horrors may afflict the soul, whatever abominations may excite the loathing of the heart, whatever terrors may assail the mind, the answer is the same at every stage: "How splendid is the Adventure!" "

(AC—TBoT, on the Atu XVIII)


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15/02/2020 1:55 am  

" The serious pursuit of magic—as of shamanism, of Tantra—requires that your point of view shift to that of the source of the knowledge. It requires that you abandon your safe place. Otherwise you are only standing at the edge of the Abyss and taking quick glances over the side. There is no information in that pose, no initiation possible in a state of suspended animation. You must enter a place where all the cool academic theories no longer obtain, where the comforting “it's all in your head” platitudes and attitudes have no meaning—because your head, your body, your soul and spirit are all fully engaged in ways they never have been before, and it is not what you expected when you bought the ticket. "
"The Dark Lord" by Levenda pg295

" Set has his throne in the deepest, darkest recesses of the human unconscious. And the human unconscious is the gateway to all the other zones of reality that comprise the magician's neighborhood. He's in deep, but that's because we've put him there. If human beings are social animals, and need society to feel safe and comfortable and to sleep their way through existence, then Set needs to be suppressed. And when Set is suppressed, then everything connected to Set is suppressed. And that's how most of us live.It's not a very magical approach to life.But it's safe. "
"The Dark Lord" by Levenda pg290


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15/02/2020 2:31 am  

"Why do magic, then, when you can drop acid? Or undergo a few years of depth analysis? Or go into a trance watching television or listening to your iPod?

"There was only one thing left and it was the hallmark of ceremonial magic.

"Communication with the Unseen. Traffic with extraterrestrial beings. Dinner dates with the discarnate." 

(The Duck Lord, Lavenda, p.171 of the pdf release)

@set-tetu-ra

thank you for the recommendation.


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15/02/2020 4:07 am  
Posted by: @serpent252

"Why do magic, then, when you can drop acid?

This is exactly what U.G. said.

The thing is, you get the experience, but you don't gain the control necessary to operate in the not-Acid world ... but said control can be gained by doing the practices, like all good aspirants do.

 


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15/02/2020 4:36 am  
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15/02/2020 1:45 pm  

I personally wonder how much the emphasis on Set is in itself a demonic distraction from thelema and Ra-Hoor-Khuit? Are we not supposed to relish force and fire as heads of state and armies? Is not war and the torture of ones (psyche) enemies horrible enough? The only real 'becoming' with Set is quite literally madness and reasons metaphysical and political kept Set fully repressed in the terrarum antiqua when the solar cult was at it's zenith. Change my mind. 😎 

Force and Fire is not metaphorical.


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15/02/2020 2:38 pm  

@runelogix

 

I will try :). I'm a few minutes I'll share my "Debunking Satanic Setianism" in this forum for discussion!

 

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15/02/2020 6:35 pm  

Lovecraftian Horror, as it has been related to me, is predicated on the smallness and insignificance of man in a universe he once believed centered on his consciousness. This is inimical to Thelema and every other mystical system, which are founded not on any penny-dreadful pulp fictions but on the very real philosophical precepts which one might find earliest in the metaphysical dialogues of Plato or the Upanishads, which are themselves only the earliest written renditions of a 'knowledge' man has possessed since he could first think. One precept rises above the others for my purposes in making this post, and it's that which the magician adduces when referring to himself as the 'microcosm' and which Nietzsche encapsulated less technically but more philosophically when describing Plato's great arcanum as, "I am truth."

I'll admit I don't know a fraction certain other posters do of Grant's Typhonian cosmology, some of whom had the pleasure of knowing the man, and others the simple privilege of buying his trilogies before they cost hundreds of dollars a book. That having been said, I'm sure when he makes reference to something being unknowable, it's because the faculty of reason has no avenue to grasp the thing, making it universally and objectively unknowable (apart from the knowledge it's unknowable, but this moves away from my point). God himself could not understand that which is fundamentally defined as being unknowable, and the Platonists and Neoplatonists and I would imagine the Gnostics all had ideas analogous to this. To contrast, in "cosmic horror" when reference is made to something being unknowable, and madness being the result of even trying to apply reason to the thing, it's just because the human organism is too stupid to handle it, and human reason (notably divorced from any platonic notion of reason, as issuing from the divine) is simply insufficient.


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15/02/2020 8:34 pm  
Posted by: @djedi

I'm sure when he makes reference to something being unknowable, it's because the faculty of reason has no avenue to grasp the thing, making it universally and objectively unknowable

Right. This is because the "unknowable" thing resides in another dimension ... at least one dimension more than the mind can examine or grasp.


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15/02/2020 8:37 pm  

I think with this topic it gets misunderstood on the point that it's cosmic horror *to the uninitiated*. The actual cosmic horror practitioners certainly don't see themselves as insignificant, and many of those beings rely on humans to enter our world. 

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15/02/2020 11:56 pm  

Thelema and Lovecraft?  Lovecraft just doesn't appeal to me and I don't find it necessary to explore him likewise Stephen King and Thelema have no inherent connection.  If it's your trip then roll with it but there's no objective relationship.


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16/02/2020 12:00 am  
Posted by: @runelogix

I personally wonder how much the emphasis on Set is in itself a demonic distraction from thelema and Ra-Hoor-Khuit? Are we not supposed to relish force and fire as heads of state and armies? Is not war and the torture of ones (psyche) enemies horrible enough? The only real 'becoming' with Set is quite literally madness and reasons metaphysical and political kept Set fully repressed in the terrarum antiqua when the solar cult was at it's zenith. Change my mind. 😎 

Thanks for posting what are actually quite relevant questions or rather observations posed as questions. Regarding your ensuing statement, it might be useful to further flesh out your thoughts in a bit more detail as it would appear that your intuitions warrant the effort. 


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16/02/2020 1:06 am  
Posted by: @dom

Thelema and Lovecraft?  Lovecraft just doesn't appeal to me and I don't find it necessary to explore him likewise Stephen King and Thelema have no inherent connection.  If it's your trip then roll with it but there's no objective relationship.

While I don't disagree, your premise ignores the crossing of paths in the Typhonian tradition which is substantial and common among Grant devotees. The contemporary workings of these people and the ensuing qaballah should not be dismissed outright but tested for spiritual truth.

Thanks for posting what are actually quite relevant questions or rather observations posed as questions. Regarding your ensuing statement, it might be useful to further flesh out your thoughts in a bit more detail as it would appear that your intuitions warrant the effort. 

Thank you. Personally I think I have said all that I can as this is not a topic I am well versed in. This reminds me of the place that Ken Grant makes the bold claim that:

Nuit, Hadit, Ra-Hoor-Khuit, Abrahadabra, Therion (the Beast), and Babalon, are the vital elements of this Tradition when stripped of all inessentials. The subtle concept Hoor-paar Kraat, or Set, of whom Aiwaz claims to be the ‘minister,’ and with whom he is for all practical purposes identical, is of great complexity."
For the truth in this matter I think can only be reached by appealing to AC's writings (Tunis Comment). I don't claim to have any initiated opinions on the matter but for myself I choose to focus exclusively to pursue the light and I reject darkness and complexity out of hand.
(unsure why my post aligns right, I can't seem to fix it.)

Force and Fire is not metaphorical.


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16/02/2020 2:23 am  
Posted by: @runelogix

my post aligns right, I can't seem to fix it.

Not the first time, is it?


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17/02/2020 12:26 am  
Posted by: @runelogix

[...F]or myself I choose to focus exclusively to pursue the light and I reject darkness and complexity out of hand.

On first sight this exclusivity looks a bit unbalanced and completely shunning of your shadow side! (Does this mean that you might actually be - like Kenneth Grant would put it - in reality "Against the Light" then?)

Enquiringly yours,

NormaN Ioy Conquest

 


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