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I was not content to believe in a personal Devil and serve him, in the ordinary sense of the word. I wanted to get hold of him personally and become his chief of staff.”
- Crowley, Confessions
 
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
 
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OF all the topics associated with the Great Beast 666, perhaps the most divisive among occultists is the existence or non-existence of Crowley’s “Satanism,” and if it can be evidenced to exist, to what extent is it important to Thelema as a whole. Sparse as they are, Crowley’s direct discussions of “Satan” unashamedly rush to the very core of Crowley’s cosmology and worldview, and are not hard to find. But those who can’t stomach equating their Deities too closely with the “Devil” of Christendom will always find a way to shove the whole issue under the rug, usually by the method of denying all “Devilish” aspects to the word “Satan,” treating it only as the generic Hebrew term for “Adversary,” or, aimlessly wandering into discussions about the Arabic species of Jinn known as “Shaitans,” anything to get away from the figure of “THE Devil.”
In Magick in Theory and Practice, Crowley famously stated the oft-quoted line:
 
The Devil does not exist. It is a false name invented by the Black Brothers to imply a Unity in their ignorant muddle of dispersions. A devil who had unity would be a God.”
 
Many see this line, rejoice that they have finally found the truth about Crowley’s views on Satan, and consider the case closed. Obviously, anyone who comes to such a conclusion from this line neglected to read the footnote to this passage on the very same page:
 
“’The Devil’ is, historically, the God of any people that one personally dislikes. This has led to so much confusion of thought that THE BEAST 666 has preferred to let names stand as they are, and to proclaim simply that AIWAZ, the solar-phallic-hermetic ‘Lucifer,’ is His own Holy Guardian Angel, and ‘The Devil’ SATAN or HADIT, the Supreme Soul behind RA-HOOR-KHUIT the Sun, the Lord of our particular unit of the Starry Universe. This serpent, SATAN, is not the enemy of Man, but He who made Gods of our race, knowing Good and Evil; He bade ‘Know Thyself!’ and taught Initiation. He is ‘the Devil’ of the Book of Thoth, and His emblem is BAPHOMET, the Androgyne who is the hieroglyph of arcane perfection. The number of His Atu is XV, which is Yod He, the Monogram of the Eternal, the Father one with the Mother, the Virgin Seed one with all-containing Space. He is therefore Life, and Love. But moreover his letter is Ayin, the Eye; he is Light, and his Zodiacal image is Capricornus, that leaping goat whose attribute is Liberty.”
 
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19/07/2020 6:38 pm  

Yes, and this statement from AC's and/or Aiwass' in The Cry of the 30th Æthyr within the part of The Vision and the Voice written in Mexico 1900: 

"O Saviour of the World, bruise Thou my Head with Thy foot to save the world, that once again I touch Him whom I slew, that in my death I feel the radiance and the heat of the moving of Thy Robes!

Let us alone! What have we to do with Thee, Thou Jesus of Nazareth?"

,appears to be inspired by this verse from the King James Bible:

"(Genesis 3: 15.) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

So as for the existence or non-existence of Crowley’s "Satanism", though the serpent is not explicitly identified in the above quote from Book of Genesis, he is identified with Satan in Aleister Crowley's favorite book in the Christian Bible (King James Bible translation) (a (favorite-)book much used by Aleister Crowley both in his book The Vision and the Voice, and in his The Book of the Law): 

"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. [...] . . . He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, ... (Revelation 12: 9.; 20: 2.)"

That is, according to Aleister Crowley, the Christian Serpent or Satan appears to be mentioned by Aiwass both in the second most importan book within his Thelema, The Vision in the Voice written in 1900 and 1909, and within the most important book within his Thelema, The Book of the Law

(Sources for more on this: 'The Inauguration of Aleister Crowley’s New Aeon of Horus ' - - - https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/the-inauguration-of-aleister-crowleys-new-aeon-of-horus/paged/6/#post-109068 and  https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/the-inauguration-of-aleister-crowleys-new-aeon-of-horus/paged/6/#post-109086  )


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19/07/2020 7:00 pm  

(The following is quoted from Aleister Crowley's The Confessions of Aleister Crowley --- https://hermetic.com/crowley/confessions/chapter69 : )

"Chapter 69

PART FIVE THE MAGUS 69 [...]

A thousand years from now men will still gather round in wonder and worship to gaze upon the gorgeous pageant of flowers that glow upon the glowing grass and to feast upon the ripe fruits that burden the two great trees which tower like pillars for a gateway to my garden --- the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil and the Tree of Life."


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19/07/2020 8:21 pm  
Posted by: @falcon

OF all the topics associated with the Great Beast 666, perhaps the most divisive among occultists is the existence or non-existence of Crowley’s “Satanism,” and if it can be evidenced to exist, to what extent is it important to Thelema as a whole.

No kidding. The internet is now heavily laced with pundits and pooh-bahs linking AC to the child sacrifices of The Deep State. His "Satanism" is being proclaimed more loudly.

This is what happens when you give firecrackers to Christians (who are obsessed with devil-worship investigating). Yet, even these terrible rumors can be used to positive ends. I, me my own self, was subjected to exposure as a Satanist on a "Satanic Revelation Website." Actually, more than just one. I have thanked the initiatory process for holding back on my revelation (and thus the internet in whole) for two years after I retired from dependence on external employment. Translation: I had retired an it didn't matter if a potential employer dialed by up on the Google-Borg search-engine or war.

I responded by writing my first "real" book.

But I hesitate to tread out into the wider courtroom of defending Crowley against cries of Satanism and/or Black Magic. I will reflexively type short replies, but who can defend against the quotes from the man himself. "Jesus and the Devil fought for my soul. The Devil won."

I have no problem identifying the "concept" of the Devil with the psychological Id.

It is the externalizing of God, the Devil, Lucifer, Satan, the Id, the Shadow, Thoth and the gang, and the Angel that causes any and all confusion. When viewed as an external entity, any of these concepts is automatically entered into the Roster of Duality.

All of these concepts can be narrowed down to three primary designations (the 3 grades of Thelema and even Freemasonality). It is not only "The Kingdom of Heaven" that is within you (anyone), but also these three conceptual beings. Taking personal responsibility for all three is required before the  picture becomes perfectly clear.

Never mind about that 4th step. It only comes into play after the light is blown out.

 


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19/07/2020 9:28 pm  

Quote: "Never mind about that 4th step. It only comes into play after the light is blown out."

@shiva - Om Namah Shivaya! Pray indulge us novitiates, lay waste to the blather and please elucidate... (or should that be illuminate? 😉

 

93'z et al,

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20/07/2020 1:51 am  
Posted by: @gravunity

lay waste to the blather and please elucidate... (or should that be illuminate?

Expound is the current term. I cover these points over and over in many threads, but I will shed some LVX on the matter since you've only been here 5 months. Thus ...

There are three grades in Thelema. There are three grades in Freemansonry, which is a bit more exoteric than Thelema. Everything rolls around in threes: Triads, trinities, tridents. Any one thing is one thing, but it is subject to the three phases (gunas), so we need not sweat the simple black-and white duality, but we must expand a dimension in order to realize a bigger picture.

So we have 3 grades. They fill up the Tree of Life and get multiplied into 9 & 10 & 11. Forget that for now. 3 Grades. Each is defined. The final tip of the supernal triad is destroyed by the samadhi known as Shivatmadarshana, wherein Atma, the True Self, the Ippy, the Monad (etc) are seen to be illusionary ... just another production of mind.

What is left? Thelema and the Tree do not cover this ground. It is the State of Rigpa, the "ground" of Dzogchen, a "trance" of the original clear mind that has no concepts. Tao or pure Gnosis would also apply. This is the 4th degree in any activity. Some call it (the realm and the consciousness) Adi.

The Adi, as a "plane" or "dimension," would be equivalent to Ain Soph Aur. The only recently alive person who discussed this in depth, for years, was U.G. Krishnamurti. See youTube and various free books online, because I cannot describe the "big" 4th as a permanent state, and still be walking around down here, because my "calamity" has not yet come.

Does this hold true throughout the holographic levels?

OTO and Freemasonry are based on three degrees. In Masonry, the 4th is a PM (Past Master). The rest of the degrees are historical or special illuminations.

In OTO, the 4th is a PM (Pefect Magician). The rest of the degrees are historical or special illuminations, and are described as "further commentaries on the 2nd degree (life)."

There is always a fourth state or dimension that follows the completion of a three-phased cycle.

I hope that helps to fill in some of the gaps.


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20/07/2020 2:53 am  
Posted by: @shiva
Posted by: @gravunity

lay waste to the blather and please elucidate... (or should that be illuminate?

There is always a fourth state or dimension that follows the completion of a three-phased cycle.

I hope that helps to fill in some of the gaps.

@shiva It does indeed. Many thanks for your patient exposition Shiva, brilliant in fact:-) Forgive me, I will spend more time digging the archives in future...

Yes, sorry to drag the topic off AC's Satanism (ho hum...), but when you hinted at it, I was interested in anything on the reported "visual" aspects of the Shivatmadarshana Samadhi at levels "off" Kether (and the experience more generally). I'm aphantasiac (no mental images or audio anyway) so I spend most of my time in and out of a no-conceptual / pre-conceptual / conceptual proto-linguistic void doodad by default. So, I'm unlikely to get the multi-eyed peacock off the Tool cover 😉

And I'm always trying to find any references to known spiritual states by those who have clearly been there at stage 4+. Thanks very much also for the UG K. link. I.m not overly familar with UG (more KrishnaJi), but I'll check it out. For anyone else, interested in the experiential end of this (whether able to visualise or not), I can strongly recommend the Vijñāna Bhairava Tantra.

And here's Satan with the weather 🙂

much appreciated,

93'z, best regards G.


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20/07/2020 3:31 am  
Posted by: @shiva

Expound is the current term. I cover these points over and over in many threads, but I will shed some LVX on the matter since you've only been here 5 months. Thus ...

For the benefit of those others who may only've been here a matter of months... or weeks... or days even - he ain't kidding!

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What is left? Thelema and the Tree do not cover this ground. It is the State of Rigpa, the "ground" of Dzogchen, a "trance" of the original clear mind that has no concepts.

Now, in which thread did I come across this earlier?

Vouchsafing my opinion,

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those who can’t stomach equating their Deities too closely with the “Devil” of Christendom will always find a way to shove the whole issue under the rug

and act like missionaries.

 

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20/07/2020 6:58 am  
Posted by: @falcon

OF all the topics associated with the Great Beast 666, perhaps the most divisive among occultists is the existence or non-existence of Crowley’s “Satanism,” and if it can be evidenced to exist, to what extent is it important to Thelema as a whole.

Posted by: @shiva

No kidding. The internet is now heavily laced with pundits and pooh-bahs linking AC to the child sacrifices of The Deep State. His "Satanism" is being proclaimed more loudly.

Posted by: @shiva

This is what happens when you give firecrackers to Christians (who are obsessed with devil-worship investigating).

Crowley's reputation seems to swing from accolades to accusations depending on the decade. Currently, when his name pops up in conversation with mere mortals it's usually to accuse a known criminal or powerful politician of being "a Satanist follower of Aleister Crowley." I don't waste even one second trying to educate people. It's a waste of time.

Satanists have kept the church in business for years. The fact that they exist at all pumps more money and followers into church every week.

But when we look at the facts. It always seems to be the most holy ones that are committing the crimes. While Crowley was never accused of any crime, the churches have raped, murdered, molested, and buried hundreds, sometimes thousands, sometimes millions of people, often on the very grounds of the church property.

This is a matter of fact chronicled in the courts every year to this day.

To keep the racket going, the Churches have Satan to blame when the shit hits the fan.

"We have cleaned the church of these bad folks who fell to Satan. All is good again. Come back. Accept Jesus."

When in fact the rape, murder, molestation, and crimes of the church are par for the course and business as usual. It never stops and never will. It's only when caught in the act that they blame Satan.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

Crowley signed up for this dance. And many Thelemites are understandably shy of defending Crowley. Or admitting that he dabbled in such dangerous territory. But as far as I know Crowley was never accused or convicted of a crime. He did say some interesting things. Some of which I think were meant to be sarcastic or poking fun at the lies told about him in the press. But there was no crime.

Unfortunately the truth doesn't sell papers. And education is absent from the mainstream thought process. But Crowley signed up for it and seemed to like the attention. So the legend lives on.

 

 


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20/07/2020 7:06 am  

Christians are to blame for making something separate from God, repeating Marcionite/Sethian/Manichaean foolishness.

Shame on them for killing their own god, millenia before Nietzsche **apparently** did.

Christians can't own up to the fact that they have two Gods (or technically 5, counting the trinity as three separate, and that YHWH is not any of the Trinity either), one supposedly good and the other supposedly evil. 

 

As Crowley said on Manichaeism from Liber Aleph:

These Philosophers, or shall I not say Misosophers and Pseudo-Sophists, have been hard put to it to explain the Mystery of the Existence of their Evil. They have cried, frothing with Words, the Evil is Illusion. But if so, that Illusion is Evil, whence came it, and to what End? If their Devil created it, who created that Devil? All their contention resolveth to this Dilemma of Change in a Changeless, Falsity in a True, Hate in a Loving, Weakness in an Almighty, Duality in a Simple, Being as they define their God. Nor do they see that they restrict their God (whom yet hey would have to be All) by admitting Opposites to this Nature, ever when they sum these Opposites as Illusion, since Illusion is the Denial of His Truth. But the Indians, seeing his, seek Escape by denying all Duality soever to their God, or True State, I speak of Parabrahaman and of Nibbana, thus in any Reality of Thought rather denying Him or It than destroying Illusion. But in our Light we have no Need of any Denial, and accept all, yea Illusion itself, discriminating only in our Minds between Phenomena by Comparison with some convenient Standard, for the Purpose of maintaining the Order of our Conceptions in Respect of the Relation of any Being with its Environment.

 

Satan is nothing other than an archetype though, embodying different things in different contexts.

 

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YHWH do all these things.” - Isaiah 45:7


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20/07/2020 7:41 am  
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I will spend more time digging the archives in future...

I just gave you a summary of several points scattered throughout many threads. Don't bother searching, I keep repeating a similar litany.

Why would I keep drumming? Because some of my stuff is not found in the Libers. It is compatible with Thelema, but not in the books.

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I'm unlikely to get the multi-eyed peacock off the Tool cover

The Univ Peacock  is attributed to Atu IV, Art, so it's much earlier than the rarefied states we are discussing. Your description of your faculties is interesting. A woman once came to me for Spiritual Acupuncture. Since the needles merely provide intelligent anesthesia, the procedure relies on a dialog that addresses all the senses is primarily visual. "I can't visualize," she said.

So we negotiated for three or four minutes. It turned out if asked her to describe something, she could do it if she simply said what she felt about what I asked her describe. Does this seem complex? It wasn't at all. The procedure moved along quite smoothly. She was rather perceptive.

There are no visions associated with those extra-Ketherian states. Swirling gaseous clouds with element colors have been described, but that's not the final state.

On the other hand, the Aikidoists practice with their eyes wide open, yet at the higher levels they are practicing exactly what we are discussing here.

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And here's Satan with the weather

Well, I don't know where you are, but here the weather is building up slowly for monsoon season, due in five days by my clock. After the rains come, the Satanic weather will really start. This is the desrt.

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Now, in which thread did I come across this earlier?

Vouchsafing my opinion,

Several. Recently. I am on a Rigpa mission these days. For those new readers unto whom you whispered, I say, "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. He is now dedicated to following me around and peeing on my posts. He has a personality disorder. He prefers to discuss discrepancies and personalities instead of Rigpa or samadhi, or even pranayama, which I recommend."

 


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20/07/2020 10:10 am  

Among Gnostic systems in general there is no consensus that the serpent in the garden is divine or good. This is a popular myth that is based on the scurrilous accusations of the Christian so called 'Church Fathers' who compare Gnostic systems, and gnosis, with the Serpent and the Tree of Knowledge in Eden.

Satan was also regarded as a champion of freedom and individuality before Crowley:

"...  it is but natural–even from the dead letter standpoint–to view Satan, the Serpent of Genesis, as the real creator and benefactor, the Father of Spiritual mankind." (Source: Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, The Secret Doctrine, Vol. 2 of 2: The Synthesis of Science, Religion, and Philosophy, pages 242-243.)

The AC-quote in the OP of this thread, about that His own Holy Guardian Angel, "and SATAN or Hadit, the Supreme Soul behind RA-HOOR-KHUIT ...", is "This serpent" that "bade Know 'Thyself' and taught Initiation.", is very fascinating with respect to my thread covering how Aleister Crowley already in 1900 in Mexico devised a Ritual of Self-Initiation: 

Was the HGA also the actual initiator in the Order in which AC started on his path as an initiate? - - - https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/was-the-hga-also-the-actual-initiator-in-the-order-in-which-ac-started-on-his-path-as-an-initiate/

Maybe the above mentioned 'SATAN' or 'serpent' that "bade Know 'Thyself' and taught Initiation.", already in 1900 taught Aleister Crowley how to devise a ritual of self-initiation?  😉 


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20/07/2020 2:45 pm  

@wellreadwellbred

Too bad your original thread got hijacked by louts with other agendas, but I suppose that is what happened in Eden...


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20/07/2020 4:21 pm  

If I may interject, the cloven-hoofed God Dionysius-Pan was stolen from those wild crazy horny Polytheistic Greeks/Romans by European Christians and was accused of being the root of all evil, The Devil.  As the resentful offspring of Victorian Bible-bashers it's not too difficult to see why Crowley would want to celebrate that which they tried to stamp out.

Mind you watching a gang of maenads tearing some guy to shreds is not my idea of humanistic community spirit.  Does that make me 'a square'? Lol.

 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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20/07/2020 8:17 pm  
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the cloven-hoofed God Dionysius-Pan was stolen from those wild crazy horny Polytheistic Greeks/Romans by European Christians and was accused of being the root of all evil, The Devil. 

Ooo! I like that one.

Posted by: @dom

Does that make me 'a square'

Foursquare, solid, balanced.

 


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20/07/2020 8:42 pm  
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But as far as I know Crowley was never accused or convicted of a crime.

However he was involved in "helping police with their enquiries" after the brouhaha of 'the Battle of Blythe Rd' ... accused of treachery [treason] after World War 1... of being in wrongful possession of 'the property of a lady [=stolen letters]"... and guilty of 'shining a light' (=being in breach of the blackout regulations) during World War 2? (That last one may be apocryphal).

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is attributed to Atu IV, Art,

In the interests of correcting any misunderstandings by 'newbies' to the matter who may be led astray by Shiva's frequent unproofread postings and typos, "Art" here should correctly be attributed to Atu XIV

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Why would I keep drumming? Because some of my stuff is not found in the Libers.

Why keep "drumming"?  It can't be because actual teaching is not approved of in the Guidelines, can it?

Posted by: @shiva

For those new readers unto whom you whispered, I say, "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. He is now dedicated to following me around and peeing on my posts. He has a personality disorder.

Such paranoia together with a persecution complex!?  Just having a laugh along with the Universe, as you 'sensibly' seem to keep on recommending: I wouldn't really want to be one of your "followers" but as you (=anyone) must realise it's hard to avoid encountering the same active threads each time over a short period whenever one logs in.

Posted by: @dom

Mind you watching a gang of maenads tearing some guy to shreds is not my idea of humanistic community spirit. 

But as The Sex Pistols pleaded the matter in their thelemically-entitled ditty No One Is Innocent, dom: "... they wasn't being wicked, God, it was their idea of fun"?!

N Joy

 


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20/07/2020 9:25 pm  
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But as far as I know Crowley was never accused or convicted of a crime.

He was a convicted felon.

AC was convicted in July 1934 of feloniously receiving stolen property in connection with letters stolen from Betty May of Cefalu fame that were to be used to impeach her testimony when she testified for the defense when AC sued Nina Hamnett for libel for saying he "was supposed to practice black magic".

He was fined £ 50 and sentenced to two years probation. See Sutin, p. 372.


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20/07/2020 9:56 pm  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

In the interests of correcting any misunderstandings by 'newbies' to the matter who may be led astray by Shiva's frequent unproofread postings and typos, "Art" here should correctly be attributed to Atu XIV

This is correct. All of it.

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Such paranoia

It's not paranoia if someone is actually following fouling my posts with dripping urination caused by a personality disorder.

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He was fined £ 50 and sentenced to two years probation. See Sutin, p. 372.

Now look at what we've all gotten into.

 


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It's not paranoia if someone is actually following fouling my posts with dripping urination caused by a personality disorder.

How is anyone suppose to know how tough you are if you make those you attack look weak?


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Was the HGA also the actual initiator in the Order in which AC started on his path as an initiate? - - - https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/was-the-hga-also-the-actual-initiator-in-the-order-in-which-ac-started-on-his-path-as-an-initiate/

Maybe the above mentioned 'SATAN' or 'serpent' that "bade Know 'Thyself' and taught Initiation.", already in 1900 taught Aleister Crowley how to devise a ritual of self-initiation?  😉 

That's a good thread to quote. Enlightening in many ways. Shows how the members of the Black school wield Nazi imagery for their fascist intent and repugnant tendencies.

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I ignore you whenever you don't fly the swastika, Swastika-Boy.

Sure you do. Show the worth of your word. 


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21/07/2020 1:42 am  

Well, moron, quoting me from several months ago, when you seldom posted except in the music, comedy, and movies threads, as saying i ignored you hardly binds me to continue to do so when you daily post inane pastel-fantasy claims to being an Adept, post pics of my head as an impaled pig's head, curse me to have my head taken over by a character from a Wizard of Oz sequel that will speak through my head (can you let me know when that will start? trying to plan the next couple months), and want to send imaginary monsters to eat me, now does it?


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Posted by: @ignant666

Well, moron, quoting me from several months ago, when you seldom posted except in the music, comedy, and movies threads, as saying i ignored you hardly binds me to continue to do so when you daily post inane pastel-fantasy claims to being an Adept, post pics of my head as an impaled pig's head, curse me to have my head taken over by a character from a Wizard of Oz sequel that will speak through my head (can you let me know when that will start? trying to plan the next couple months), and want to send imaginary monsters to eat me, now does it?

Thank you for showing what's possessing your thoughts. An unexpected gift.

You're starting to sound like You're Somebody Else.


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21/07/2020 3:21 am  

Ignant, you are still Ignant, not someone else. You have recited the scriptures as they were written. It's a shame we have to tolerate internal demonic game-playing, even as The End of the World is playing outside. I guess it's a case of As Without, so Within.

 


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21/07/2020 3:23 am  

Yes, my head has been possessed by the Queen, per your curse.

You clearly have no idea what an utter fantasist and loon you come across as [your cue: "No, you!"].


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21/07/2020 3:30 am  

Keep going. You're convincing.


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21/07/2020 10:53 pm  

hadgigegenraum (@hadgigegenraum):

"Too bad your original thread got hijacked by louts with other agendas, but I suppose that is what happened in Eden..."

This thread was started by Falcon (@falcon). As for the subject matter of this thread "Aleister Crowley's 'Satanism' by Frater V.I.M.", a core arguement by this FRATER V.I.M. in his article Aleister Crowley's Satanism, is the following: 

"For too long it has been assumed and taught that for one to say “Satan wrote Liber AL,” it means one is defining who and what Aiwaz is by Christian theological concepts of Satan. But the exact opposite is what I am proposing: I am insisting that the theological concepts of Liber AL should define who and what SATAN is, not that Christian myth should define the author of Liber AL.

To stress this point again: Proclaiming Satan as the author of Liber AL is NOT an assertion that Liber AL was written by a fallen god of “evil” rebelling against the Cosmos. Proclaiming Satan as the author of Liber AL is INSTEAD an assertion that orthodox religions have been entirely wrong as to THEIR characterization of the being known as SATAN, and Liber AL is HIS Gospel to man, whom He Loves." 
 
And this FRATER V.I.M. does after mentioning the current head of the O.T.O., William Breeze (Hymenaeus Beta), conceding that “... if he [Crowley] were a Satanist, it was on his own terms.”, (in his introduction to a modern edition of Crowley’s Magick), conclude his article on Aleister Crowley's Satanism in the following way: 
 
"... That’s ultimately all I’m trying to really get at with this article: Crowley’s beliefs were a form of “Satanism” by the most basic definition of the word insofar as he placed Satan at the heart of his own spirituality, and devoted his life to a Holy Text that he believed was dictated by none other than Satan, whom he called his “Master.” And Crowley was certainly entitled to forge a Satanism “on his own terms.” When Crowley received Liber AL, and was confirmed as the Beast 666 by its author, Crowley had in effect achieved his stated goal of getting hold of the Devil personally and becoming, for the time, His “chief of staff.”

 

 

 
Love is the law, love under will.
 
Satana Vobiscum!
Frater V.I.M."

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21/07/2020 11:45 pm  

Truly, wrwb, you surpass yourself in your chosen endeavor of making long pointless copy'n'paste posts, in here devoting your entire post (except for 3 sentences) to quoting the thread you are posting in.

Bravo! Say "Hi" to David Miscavige and John Travolta for me if you see them at a clambake or something.


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22/07/2020 2:32 am  

I am sure I would have not paid anymore attention to this thread if I had not been given the e-mail alert that I had been so mentioned.

Frankly the subject has been permanently fouled by the imposition of the 'intelligence agencies' who have utilized in its mass brainwashing programs the cartoonish but sinister spectacles demonstrated by the likes of LaVey et al, to which pedophile film ritualist Roman Polanski's Rosemary's Baby typifies exactly the type of horror hypnosis racket that would thus provide the implants for moral degeneracy such that the military industrial complex would so employ with an impunity in the perpetual war outfit such sick examples as Colonel Aquino parading their own formations of cancel culture employed in fomenting such hatred as the present mask culture charade for the death dust of the moral vacuum they revel in.

To put it another way, Crowley may well have been an agent, but at least there was a sense of actual originality in his rebellion and genuine exploring, but of course he was and is appropriated in a direction that leaves The Great Beast to be basically a misunderstood back water of bibliophiles, where todays antiquarian curiosities give way to appropriation by the mass society seeking to enslave by sex drugs and rock n roll to which amongst that pantheon the -Do what thou wilt~ footnote upon the platter of Led Zeppelin III accompanied some transcendent talent whose sharing of such a credo spoke to a permission for the inherent reservoir of the preconscious to so transcend through manifesting in others who understand upon an intuitive plane the meaning of such a phrase...Likewise the Beatles inclusion seemed to be an actual affirmation of an expanded bibliography, for among the personalities, or rather individuals upon Sargent Pepper is Edgar Allen Poe who was a great American patriot smeared by the anti American press, and to whose work provides a living skeleton key to higher levels of metaphoric capabilities inherent in the creative use of intelligence upon moral constructs outside of those of empire, and its tentacles of mass hypnosis.

I consider Crowley's Open Letter to Rabbi Blau to be one of his most interesting contributions to a higher employment of his mission, to which his checkmate is beyond brilliant, out Jewing the Jews by saving the Jews, if they had listened, for indeed remember that Crowley does invoke Messiah as Serpent, but he also considers himself as Ante-Christ, as in the precursor to the return of Christ!

Now for some at this time, amongst the woke cancel culture pronoun fascist set and those spray painting pentagrams 666's and upside down crosses, Baphometic Statutes, Georgia Guidstone, Billionaire bloodsuckers ritual parties,  Christ or Jesus is the most Satanic thing upon the planet in contrast to their love castrated existence.

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09/08/2020 9:14 pm  

hadgigegenraum:

"I consider Crowley's Open Letter to Rabbi Blau to be one of his most interesting contributions to a higher employment of his mission, to which his checkmate is beyond brilliant, out Jewing the Jews by saving the Jews, if they had listened, for indeed remember that Crowley does invoke Messiah as Serpent, but he also considers himself as Ante-Christ, as in the precursor to the return of Christ!"

AC does in that letter state that "... we have reopened the Gates of Eden and we offer you the fruit of the Tree of Life. The division between Jew and Gentile dates only from Abraham. We, no less than you, are of the seed of Adam, of mankind.", and that "...your salvation depends upon understanding the spirit of your people in the light of history, ethnology, and psychology. Having understood your function, and formulated your will in a fixed phrase, it is only necessary to keep your unswerving course, each Jew as his own soul shows him for himself, and for the race, as the soul of the race is shown him, by the spirit of Anti-Christ, your Messiah, who shall arise in Israel for this purpose."

(Source: An Open Letter to Rabbi Joel Blau Written by the Master Therion - - -  http://www.geocities.ws/lovemexico/openletterjews.html  )

 

"In a dedication to "Why Jesus Wept", he told G. K. Chesterton that he, Crowley, had "found [his] Messiah in ... the Devil and all his angels", and showed through gematria that the Serpent was the true Messiah. In "Magick in Theory and Practice" (cap. IV) and "The Book of Thoth", and many other places, he praised Satan at length. He sang rapturous love-songs to the devil in his ritual practices, and gave him the unholy kiss referred to in the legends of the templars and the Sabbat."

(Source: Tim Maroney's comments on Satanism and Thelema July 1991 - - -  https://bbs.bapho.net/bbs/h-drive/magick4/satancro.txt   )

I do in the above mentioned open letter to a Jewish Rabbi , read that AC (for whom the Serpent, an embodiment of antagonism within the Jewish Holy book, was the true Messiah) describes Anti-Christ, an embodiment of antagonism within the Christian New Testament, as "... your Messiah, who shall arise in Israel for this purpose." 

But where in that letter is it that Aleister Crowley "... does invoke Messiah as Serpent, "??


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16/08/2020 1:31 pm  

AC's claim in his open letter to a Rabbi, that "The division between Jew and Gentile dates only from Abraham. We, no less than you, are of the seed of Adam, of mankind.", is not in line with the following claim within the second most important book of his Thelema, The Vision and the Voice

"... Cain was the the child of Eve and the Serpent, and not of Eve and Adam; and therefore when he had slain his brother, who was the first murderer, having sacrificed living things to his demon, had Cain the mark upon his brow, which is the mark of the Beast spoken of in the Apocalypse, and is the sign of initiation." 

This is an example of the doctrine of the Serpent Seed, according to which Satan had sex with Eve, producing Cain, and that Cain’s descendants are still with us today. Who they are will depend on the adherent of the doctrine you a ask.

This version of the Serpent Seed doctrine appears to state that those who accepts the mark of the Beast spoken of in the Apocalypse, as "the sign of initiation" spoken of in AC's The Vision and the Voice, are of the Serpent seed, or are children of the serpent spoken of both in the Garden of Eden, and within the mentioned Apocalypse.


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