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22/06/2020 5:12 am  

After discovering there was a "Thelemic Satanism" group with 10,000+ followers on social media, I sent them this message:

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Greetings, I find this page interesting although I would describe my path as Gnostic and Thelemic not Satanist. What is your opinion of these essays by Aleister Crowley - Black Magic Is Not A Myth & AGAPE vel LIBER C vel AZOTH ? Love is the law, love under will. 93 93/93

https://lib.oto-usa.org/crowley/essays/black-magic.html

https://basileus-oto.org/oto-ninth-degree-liber-c-vel-agape-vel-azoth/?fbclid=IwAR3lSqROUDL4Uhr7LA24d9R7J2uYzMF2BhcAHHmc8Fj1k7dYB1DfAtljQDI

 

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22/06/2020 4:12 pm  

So what's the difference between 'Thelema' and it's Satanic version apart from lack of education, virginity and acne problems?


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22/06/2020 4:38 pm  

Satanism is about exalting the ego, and its desires. Thelema is about annihilation of the ego. "Thelemic satanism" is an oxymoron.

Next question?


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22/06/2020 5:00 pm  

To help them storm the Gates of Heaven?

With the upcoming alignment and high probability many are practiced to some degree with O it's a good time to highlight The Star Sapphire.

That needs some theme music: Tear down that lying spectre of the centuries

If you get many responses you gonna answer them all?

or leave a link to LAShTAL?

 


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22/06/2020 6:16 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

Next question?

Will oxymoron clean my dirty clothes better than soap?

A Sermon for June 22

According to Therion (Book 4-III), the Devil does not exist. It is an invention of the Black Brothers. He/it has no more reality than yesterday (21 Juno - The End).

The "Devil" includes Satan, Lucifer, Shaitan, and Edwin Arthwaite.

To personalize this subject, any reader may look up the word Id, in its psychological sense, then apply the Devil concept to one's Id, and behold ...!

Thelemic Satanism, or Satanic Thelema, must (according to the above data, carefully arranged) therefore be a local outlet for The Black Lodge and its Dark Brothers.

 

 


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22/06/2020 9:36 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

A Sermon for June 22

According to Therion (Book 4-III), the Devil does not exist. It is an invention of the Black Brothers. He/it has no more reality than yesterday (21 Juno - The End).

The "Devil" includes Satan, Lucifer, Shaitan, and Edwin Arthwaite.

To personalize this subject, any reader may look up the word Id, in its psychological sense, then apply the Devil concept to one's Id, and behold ...!

Thelemic Satanism, or Satanic Thelema, must (according to the above data, carefully arranged) therefore be a local outlet for The Black Lodge and its Dark Brothers.

That Christian-like, tabloid, fearmongering sermon appears to be jumping to conclusions based on buzzwords and prejudiced selective connections as "data" knowing nothing more than a kneejerk to the word "Satan".  A distraction from the real Black Lodge and Brothers?

These Thelemic Satanists might be allies. The label 'Thelemic Satanism' seems redundant rather than an oxymoron. Satanic Satanism.

@falcon spotted something. 10,000 new members for LAShTAL?


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23/06/2020 12:29 am  

How do you 'attain' in Satanism?

 

You don't. 

 

Thelemic Satanism?  No.  It's about remaining in Nepheshic -consciousness.  


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23/06/2020 1:00 am  
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How do you 'attain' in...

...Thelemic Satanism? 

Thelemic Satanism sounds pretty 'non-traditional'. It's a good question. Can't agree with your take on it until knowing more about what they mean by it and what they do. Are they a CoS offshoot? ST? Some inactive facebook group that people join to pad their profiles with thelema or satan or some other thing.


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23/06/2020 1:26 am  
Posted by: @xon

That Christian-like, tabloid, fearmongering sermon appears to be jumping to conclusions based on buzzwords and prejudiced selective connections as "data"

Gotcha.

Posted by: @xon

These Thelemic Satanists might be allies.

Of course they might. I have just given a classical Sermon on reasoning from the knowing to that of the unknown.

Posted by: @dom

Thelemic Satanism?  No.  It's about remaining in Nepheshic -consciousness.  

But the disciples stick the straw in their hair and think they are The Devil.

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Can't agree with your take on it until knowing more about what they mean by it and what they do.

Yes. This is the traditional Waiting Period. The A in IAO, wherein all things fall silent save the squeaking of the church mice and the rustle of the serpents. We all, of course, are looking forward to a Manifesto or a Welcome Webpage.

 

 


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23/06/2020 2:54 am  
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These Thelemic Satanists might be allies.

Allies in what conflict? Grist to whose mill?


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23/06/2020 3:53 pm  
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Allies in what conflict? Grist to whose mill?

Support for the legacy of Aleister Crowley in the conflict against the erosion of time.

You're also asking about how it pertains to me. 'whose'

Seventh Degree work. There are around 10,000 souls that have become tethered to me through magical work. As I advance they advance. And part of my degree work involves the second wedding mentioned in Tzaddi

But since one is naturally attracted to the Angel, another to the Demon, let the first strengthen the lower link, the last attach more firmly to the higher

I followed instruction and united with the Angel. It's approaching time to wed the Demon followed by work related to things like the new Goetia mentioned in the Book of Codes.

So, "Thelemic Satanist".

How about 'Satanic Thelemite'? The noun being the tasty meaty part after cutting adjectives like gristle from the Pope's tongue.

Those who are cognizant of the tether and believe they are attracted first to the Angel have an opportunity to become wedded with the Demon. To gain that advancement for the spiritual war. These are the people who aren't inherently 'evil' that could use the 'hardening' for all that needs to be done on every plane in their endeavors.

Which brings the conversation to the upcoming alignment and The Star Sapphire. Performing a ceremony related to that astronomical alignment could be used to join the tethering, enhance an existing link, or attempt to sever(not recommended at this point) if already attached with me.

Maybe it's time for a sacrifice of BEEF to signal a Second Enlightenment at the Reception.

 


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23/06/2020 6:27 pm  

I believe I've found the originator of the ideology followed by the group specified in the original post. This was the first item listed under the group's 'About' section, anyhow.

https://satanicwitchcraft93.blogspot.com/p/about.html

I'll let the reader draw his own conclusions, but allow me the comment that the use of 'Shaitan-Aiwaz' probably signifies the author's being one of those 'thelemic satanists' we've (or, at least, I've) known who prop up their theology with picked-and-chose Typhonian concepts.

You can see his email address in his profile. If Diogenes should take his lamp of invisible light and find an honest man among us, that unlucky individual may feel the compulsion to contact Frater V.I.M. with all vigor and let him know we're talking about his beliefs, so he can come answer @falcon 's question himself.

I, being a dissolute, shitkicking bushwhacker, feel no compunction about gossiping like a schoolgirl behind someone's back.


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23/06/2020 8:52 pm  
Posted by: @xon

There are around 10,000 souls that have become tethered to me through magical work.

Ten Grand!  That's pretty impressive. Claims, hints, and numerical figures require references, footnotes, or other "proof" to substantiate such hints or claims. Saying, "I don't care if you believe me, or don't," is not sufficient.

 


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23/06/2020 9:24 pm  
Posted by: @xon

Seventh Degree work.

Yer not a 'claim jumper' , are ya pardner? 

 


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23/06/2020 9:47 pm  

The newly shining demonic adepts will identify themselves by word, sign and deed in the heaven and upon the earth and under the earth according to Themself.

Their tales can occupy academics and amateur sleuths.

If one in one thousand makes it through the ordeal and attains the Knowledge and Conversation it should be quite spectacular. The rest will feed the Demon. Also spectacular.

The relevant planetary alignment is in a few weeks.

Displays could start at any time after the alignment. Expect an increase nearer the Grand Conjunction in December with a Reception for all who got wedded when the Moon is in the Winter Hexagon after Solstice. That's where things could get really lit.

ABRAHADABRA


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23/06/2020 9:53 pm  
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Yer not a 'claim jumper'

He has indicated that is coming up. Not the claim, but the process. We must assume, if we're being polite, that he has done the work of 7 levels, and that a thesis has been produced, or is forthcoming.

"Jumping" only applies when a claim is based on partial completion of the curriculum ("skipping a grade" or seven). It is very common (because there is no regulating agency, save life itself - which will surely be interesting). This is why I call them "Jump Claimers."

 


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23/06/2020 10:24 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

a thesis has been produced, or is forthcoming.

Posted by: @xon

the new Goetia mentioned in the Book of Codes.

If it's crowdsourced by Satanic Thelemites it'll be made public. If I'm doing all the work myself I'm keeping that one secret. Relax though. There's other things that need to be written too. Like new Cabalistic models based off modern understanding of cosmology and subjects that get brought that need some clarity. Rituals, Ceremonies, Sidereal Astrology.... These 'theses' are produced more out necessity than to flout.

 


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23/06/2020 10:40 pm  

So, Comrade Maple-Leaf Sunrise Eighth-Notes, that would be a "No, i will not, as part of my 'Seventh Degree work', publish a thesis setting forth my knowledge of the Universe, and my proposals for its welfare and progress" then?

Just to get a clear answer?

In which case, this will be one of those self-issued degrees, not one recognized by some other person, right? Or recognized by some person using some other set of criteria than those in "One Star In Sight"?


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24/06/2020 3:24 am  

Oh, Lord. Give us strength to survive the adolescence unleashed ... during the pan-demic, the riots, the situations in Korea, Yemen, India, et al.

 


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24/06/2020 3:48 am  
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Oh, Lord. Give us strength to survive the adolescence unleashed ... during the pan-demic, the riots, the situations in Korea, Yemen, India, et al.

 

Don't squeal like a stuck piggy. There's no Deliverance.


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24/06/2020 6:08 am  
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There's no Deliverance.

Yes there is. I saw it when it first came out. I thought those rural folk were disgusting, and I now realize what Aiwass meant when he sang the song of Ra-Hoor in Cap III.

At those words, all the readers became enlightened


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24/06/2020 6:16 am  
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Yes there is.

That's old Aeon


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24/06/2020 6:20 am  
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the group specified in the original post.

I neglected to link the group, here. Allow me to rectify that,

https://www.facebook.com/ThelemicSatanism/

And here's Ernest Borgnine lettin' it all hang out with Anton LaVey,

ernest borgnine & anton lavey
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Don't squeal like a stuck piggy. There's no Deliverance.

I seem to remember there being a sect of Horian cultists in Egypt (I can't recall exactly when but it was long before Mosaic Law) who refused to eat pork because Set appeared before Horus in the form of a pig during their contendings, or one set of their contendings.

As you might imagine, many folks reckon this to be the memetic ancestor (prememitor?) of the Judaic pork taboo.


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24/06/2020 6:32 am  

Satanic Thelema needs to look a bit like 80s wrestling.


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24/06/2020 12:13 pm  

Oh my heavens.

Such a sustained multi-thread attack, by our Canadian Cos-Play Adept. Fueled of course by his keen psychological diagnostic abilities, and armed with his devastatingly clever rapier wit. I am of course thus devastated. A broken man.

I guess i touched a nerve with ol' Comrade Maple Leaf Sunrise Eighth Notes by asking "[l]oaded questions" like "Are you planning to publish a thesis as part of what you claim is 'seventh degree' work?"

We now know that our Kayfabe Comrade is using the term "work" in the pro wrestling sense, and not the A.'. A.'. sense. His recent "turn" from "babyface" to "heel" is a tough one to pull off, but Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant both did it.


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24/06/2020 5:20 pm  
Devil's Rain

Maybe we shouldn't email that guy.


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24/06/2020 5:29 pm  

Yes, for all the Jayne Mansfield pics, one can't help noticing that this long-term San Francisco resident consistently dressed like, um, a certain sort of man.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. But a bit at odds with his public image.


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24/06/2020 7:10 pm  

Swingin sixties and all that. 


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24/06/2020 7:50 pm  
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Swingin sixties and all that. 

We (I and my peer group) were way far out in the 60s. The sinister dark lord was considered (by us) as a cartoon character. A similar counterpart in today's dramatic rituals would be the esteamed author and Magic-hole Heir, RTC. That 8=3 Los person would also qualify.

Qualification to cartoon-status is by standing out as weird in a place where weird people are common. Candidates must not only present the usual credentials, but they must go the extra metre and do something that shocks or insults even the most expanded minds.

 


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02/07/2020 3:51 am  
Posted by: @dom

So what's the difference between 'Thelema' and it's Satanic version apart from lack of education, virginity and acne problems?

Lol, that was vicious but true


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