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Michael Staley
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16/03/2019 4:53 pm  

"NEMO makes black hands white" - and variations thereof - is a phrase which occurs several times in the letters exchanged between Charles Stansfeld Jones and Gerald Yorke in the course of their 1948/1949 correspondence, It probably comes from something written by Crowley, but I've not traced it yet.

Has anybody here come across this phrase, or something like it?


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17/03/2019 12:26 am  

Never.

What the actual fuck can this mean?! I mean, we all know who NEMO is, but what can it mean to make "black hands" (literal? metaphorical?) "white" (same questions)????

Any hints from context as to meaning of this very intriguing and baffling phrase?


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17/03/2019 10:09 am  

@ignant666

Any hints from context as to meaning of this very intriguing and baffling phrase?

The phrase first occurs in Yorke's letter to Achad of 11th February 1948. He was writing to notify Achad formally of Crowley's death; to ask for a copy of Liber 31 for his collection of Crowleyana; and to let him know that Symonds was writing a biography of Crowley, in case Achad had something which could be of importance in this connection:

"Should NEMO still wish to “make black hands white”, I shall be glad to send any material from you to John Symonds, who as literary executor to A.C. is writing a Life from the MSS material before it is shipped to America. I doubt however that you have much material, and am not myself personally interested in curing the wound of Amfortas."

The fact that Yorke placed the phrase in inverted commas makes me think that it was a quote. I did wonder if it might be a reference to something in their earlier correspondence of 1929 and 1930, but the surviving letters from then have no such mention.

In a letter of 5th March 1948, Achad took up the phrase:

"First in regard to two points in your letter to which I made no reference yesterday. No, NEMO sees no immediate need for trying to “Make Black Hands White”. But I have got a great mass of material connected with A.C. and my own magical life, and just what will eventually become of it I do not at present know."

It's a curious phrase which rang a bell with me when first coming across it, but I have not been able to source this precise phrase.


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17/03/2019 10:40 am  

Now i realize this is after AC's death, so NEMO must be Achad, who was 8=3, not AC as i'd first assumed.

The use of quotation marks almost suggests this is some sort of cliche, catch-phrase, or quotation. Definitely can't recall ever encountering this phrase anywhere before. As you have doubtless already found out, googling produces lots of results for Indian hand-bleaching kits, apparently as some sort of beauty treatment, which does not seem helpful.


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17/03/2019 10:47 am  

Seems to have been a Word (of the Equinox?) of 1926, perhaps got by AC or Achad.

"Jones, Charles Stansfeld
Yorke, Gerald J.: Mar 5, 1948
"Liber 31, NEMO sees no immediate need to make Black Hands White, the Word of 1926, only saw The Equinox of the Gods proof-sheets, never the complete copy. What is the Ipsissimus document? PS re: Tunis statement, Autumn Equinox, 1923."

Part of the same correspondence?

https://archives.bapho.net/jlist.htm

Not a Word of the Equinox, according to this list, at least not AC's Words -
http://www.astrumargenteum.org/en/a%E2%88%B4a%E2%88%B4/words-of-the-equinox/


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17/03/2019 12:06 pm  

It rouses
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17/03/2019 12:11 pm  

@belmurru

Many thanks for your reply, No, there doesn't seem a connection with the Word of the Equinox. The text you quote from the listings of the archives of bapho.net is simply a summary of some of the topics covered in the letter Achad to Yorke of 5th March, some sentences from which I quoted above. There is actually no linkage in the letter itself between "Make Black Hands White" and the Word of 1926. Achad is I think referring here to his own Word of 1926, MANIO, giving rise to one of the most gorgeous letter-heads my young eyes have ever had the pleasure of seeing:

http://www.starfirepublishing.co.uk/

@ignant666

Yes, attempts to Google this phrase have brought forth a welter of entertainment.


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17/03/2019 12:25 pm  

Could this be something people in the publishing business or people who work directly with printing presses and ink say to each other? Working with ink and paper is very hard on the hands especially 100 years ago. I would imagine the hands would turn black with ink over time. I once had a girlfriend who worked for Herb Ritts printing all of his photographs daily and submerging her hands in chemicals. Her hands were always destroyed from the work and the chemicals.


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17/03/2019 12:58 pm  

maybe a referendum to an act that can now take place over-the-counter ?
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=white%20hands

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/black%20hand#h1


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17/03/2019 1:01 pm  

If i encountered that phrase in a day-to-day mid-20th century historical context, sans occult baggage, my first thought would be that this is a joking reference to an advertising catchphrase in an ad for soap, or a hand cleanser like those used by mechanics to remove grease (Gojo is a US brand of this latter thing).


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17/03/2019 1:30 pm  

maybe the star emission will awaken the church to abandon charging the troglodyte for an arbitration fee and wash its hands .


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17/03/2019 1:30 pm  

It seems to carry the meaning of reversing an ill or a harm - the reference to Amfortas reinforces this. 'Make black hands white' almost has an Ancient Egyptian tone to it.


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17/03/2019 4:17 pm  

Ig: (Gojo is a US brand of this latter thing)

Gojo has the Mojo.


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18/03/2019 4:03 am  

@ignant666 said:

"If i encountered that phrase in a day-to-day mid-20th century historical context, sans occult baggage, my first thought would be that this is a joking reference to an advertising catchphrase in an ad for soap, or a hand cleanser like those used by mechanics to remove grease (Gojo is a US brand of this latter thing)."

I would investigate further along these lines. Remember, there was no TV in these days but most likely lots of annoying radio adverts, repeating ad nauseam.

As an example. Imagine this ad playing on the radio over and over all day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY9ukXsbEUw

LAVA hand soap ad:


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18/03/2019 9:18 am  

@elitemachinery

I would investigate further along these lines. Remember, there was no TV in these days but most likely lots of annoying radio adverts, repeating ad nauseam.

That's an interesting point; thanks.

So far as I'm aware there were no commercial radio stations in England at the time. The only radio was that of the national broadcaster, the BBC; so none of those annoying radio adverts. But yes, perhaps Yorke was picking up a phrase from a well-known newspaper advert of the day.


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18/03/2019 9:39 am  

But what was the metaphorical meaning of Yorke's usage, presuming it was a soap advertisement?

Is he suggesting that Stansfeld-Jones may want to wash his hands, "come clean", get rid of that baggage of the Crowley years, that sort of thing?


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18/03/2019 11:27 am  

@belmurru

Is he suggesting that Stansfeld-Jones may want to wash his hands, “come clean”, get rid of that baggage of the Crowley years, that sort of thing?

No, I don't think he was.

In the context of the quote by Yorke earlier in this thread, especially given the reference to the biography by Symonds which was under way, I think he was inviting Achad to make available to Symonds material which would go some way to counter the dark and sinister sensationalsim which had dogged Crowley across the decades, and which was renewed following his death. Thus to "make black hands white" was to put a more positive side - whitewash, to put it in crude terms.


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18/03/2019 11:40 am  

"The law on blackmail poses an apparent paradox. It declares that threatening to tell the truth can be a crime. It raises the question of what is just: to pretend to be adhering to a particular moral code while leading a double life

The blackmail story first emerged in the 18th century, flowered in the last decades of the 19th and became a full blown cultural preoccupation in the inter-war period.
In the 18th century wealthy men were so alarmed by the thought of criminals extorting money by threatening to accuse them of sodomy "

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/angus-mclaren-blackmail-isnt-what-it-used-to-be-but-it-still-sets-the-pulse-racing-812074.html

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18/03/2019 2:22 pm  

In the context of the quote by Yorke earlier in this thread, especially given the reference to the biography by Symonds which was under way, I think he was inviting Achad to make available to Symonds material which would go some way to counter the dark and sinister sensationalsim which had dogged Crowley across the decades, and which was renewed following his death. Thus to “make black hands white” was to put a more positive side – whitewash, to put it in crude terms.

Ah, I see! I had it backwards then. Your interpretation makes much better sense. Thank you.

Is a consensus developing here, then, that the phrase "make black hands white" is a reference to an advertising slogan for a brand of soap?

I, for one, find that explanation satisfying.


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18/03/2019 3:15 pm  

Pears (soap)


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18/03/2019 3:28 pm  

I think that Tiger may be onto something with that Pears soap ad- this was apparently the first of a long-running series of ads on the theme of their product turning black folks white, running from this one in 1884 through at least 1901, and referring to one of Aesop's Fables (that had been PC-ed out of kids' books by the '60s, i guess, because i never heard of it). The source of this cryptic remark is almost certainly the Pears ads, or the fable, or both.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washing_the_Ethiopian_white


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19/03/2019 4:55 am  

Ig: ... one of Aesop’s Fables ...

Yes, that fits. Nemo (8=3) washes the basic character (which is always black ... the id, you know) to purity (which is almost always associated with the white color).

Now we have to wonder if it's the experience of becoming Nemo (i.e., the path of initiation) that purifies one, or if Nemo exerts some cleansing power to cleanse his/her vehicle (the struggling initiate ... like VVVVV might have cleaned Perdurabo up), or whether nemo cleans up his/her Students of various grades..


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19/03/2019 12:16 pm  

I hear the higher influence will make a step toward if the lower hankering takes a step forth .


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19/03/2019 6:45 pm  

T: I hear the higher influence will make a step toward if the lower hankering takes a step forth .

That is my understanding.

It comes into a finer distinction at the first step. Who moves first? The chicken or the egg? The higher self or the befuddled lower self?

In this case, it is my understanding that the higher self moves first. After all, we've all had vehicles that were (at one time) completely ignorant of such things. Does a person simply change his/her viewpoint on life goals and suddenly become oriented towards the higher realms? Not usually.

Usually, something happens in their life. A vision, an acid trip, the death of a close one.

After that, they are opened up (somewhat) to higher potentials, and it becomes like a chess game. If the lower self (the candidate, the aspirant) makes a significant move forward/upward/inward (so many directions!), the higher nature (Nemo) reciprocates ... and we enter some crisis event that (either later or at the time) is recognized as an "initiation."

Who recognizes this feat? The Frater Superior of the Oriental Templars? The Praemonstrator of the A.'.A.'.? None of the above?

Right. None of the above. It is the individual seeker that must recognize the event for what it is, for himself or herself alone. Period.

If some outer manifestation of some "lineage" happens to have the capacity to assess candidates and their progress (rather than promoting only "yes" men and "aye-aye" women), and they "recognized" the event by conferring the next grade or degree, that's just dandy.
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22/03/2019 6:05 am  

You all are right about the soap ad -- the full story is given in one of the many excerpts included in Kayser's unpublished biography of Achad, Son of the Magus. Achad explains it in a paper of May, 1934, describing details of his "Great Initiation" and relationship with Crowley:

"It will be seen from the above that a glimmer of the next Great Task had come to me, and thinking that it would now be easy to clean up the affairs of “The Beast”, I sent him, after years of silence, a communication intended to open up the way towards that end.

By August 14th 1932, things had rushed ahead again, and, as it were, culminated once again on that special date, for thereon I sent A.C. a specially stamped communication by Air Mail and a similar flown cover to a correspondent in Chicago, so that the fact could be put on record when that envelope was returned to me, (as it was, and is now framed) which contained, among a number of other symbolic things, the triangulated pasteboard wrapper of a certain hand-cleaner which had just been put on the market in Canada, showing a small black figure standing on a truncated pyramid displaying white hands with the words, “NEMO” (The Name of Master of Temple) “MAKES BLACK HANDS WHITE”.

Instead of having the expected effect, my communication to A.C. brought forth but an insulting post-card saying that my case did not interest him at all. I countered by placing a “Yod” on the head of a bald man displayed on the face of the post-card and returned it to the sender — since then, Silence on both sides.

So far as I could see, there was no further communication between myself and “The Beast” — my willingness to try and free Prometheus, or to heal Amfortas, was not to be further put to the test."

Achad prefaces this quote by quoting an earlier (1932) letter with his superior in the UB discussing how his recent initiation seems to have harmonized the conflict between his Catholicism/UB teachings and Thelema — and that perhaps it was time to heal “Amfortas, in the Parzival formula,” apparently a reference to healing the rift with Crowley.


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22/03/2019 9:44 am  

Thanks, Nicholas!

Now the race is on to find the ad!


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22/03/2019 12:11 pm  

Achad prefaces this quote by quoting an earlier (1932) letter with his superior in the UB discussing how his recent initiation seems to have harmonized the conflict between his Catholicism/UB teachings and Thelema

Interesting
I thought Achad started the Universal Brotherhood

if not who did ?
Merwin-Marie Snell ?

http://www.thegreatcircle.org/portfolio/

http://www.thegreatcircle.org/

Will
" Kayser’s unpublished biography of Achad, Son of the Magus. "
ever be published ?

well i hope the
“ rationalistic excuses for massive economic inequality, and attacks on the poor in the name of a death-dealing morality masquerading as level-headed budgetary concern. “
and
” the specter of scarcity “
are not bought

Welcome Nicholas Laccetti


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22/03/2019 12:38 pm  

@Nicholas_Laccetti

Many thanks for your post, Nicholas. That puts the matter to bed.

A number of years ago I found a copy of Achad's 1932 letter to Cowley, though not the enclosures which would have included the soap advert. Crowley recorded the receipt of the letter and enclosures in his diary, 2nd September 1932:

"Bayley sends a budget from Achad, assorted rubbish – newspapers, advertisements, etc. etc. – which I suppose he thinks significant."

In the course of his 1948 correspondence with Yorke, Achad explained that across the years he had noticed that initiations were often accompanied by "coincidences" in adverts, news clippings, etc., as if momentous events on the "inner" were mirrored by synchronicities on the "outer". This is of course a reflection of the Magister Templi Oath to interpret every event as the particular dealing of God with the soul.

When Yorke wrote to Achad in February 1948, he included the following paragraph:

"Should NEMO still wish to “make black hands white”, I shall be glad to send any material from you to John Symonds, who as literary executor to A.C. is writing a Life from the MSS material before it is shipped to America. I doubt however that you have much material, and am not myself personally interested in curing the wound of Amfortas."

In the light of the passage from Son of the Magus which you quote, it's plain —from the references to "NEMO" and "make black hands white", as well as the later reference to "curing the wound of Amfortus" — that Yorke had seen the 1932 letter and enclosures amongst Crowley's papers.

As stated above, I managed to source a copy of the 1932 letter from Achad — though regrettably not the enclosures — and it will be included in a 'Prologue' section of letters.

Again, Nicholas, many thanks for your post which solves what for me was a mystery.


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22/03/2019 12:47 pm  

@Tiger

I thought Achad started the Universal Brotherhood

No, he didn't. He came across a cell of it around the early 1920s, and after a few years he succeeded as mahaguru or head of that particular cell.

I think there are plans to publish Kayser's Son of the Magus, though I am not sure.


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22/03/2019 1:21 pm  

@Michael Staley
interesting idea of cells
interesting Rudolf Steiner seems to have been in a cell also .

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23/03/2019 11:40 pm  

Ha, thanks Tiger, and good use of a quotation from one of my essays on the UB. 😉

Yes, Michael's right — the UB was likely founded in the first decade of the twentieth century by Merwin-Marie Snell and others. Achad became a mahaguru and thus the leader of his jurisdiction of the UB in the early 1930s after a schism (mostly unrelated to Achad). He remained the leader or mahaguru until his death in 1950. The website Tiger links to is of a currently active branch of the UB. Because of the way the UB has always been structured (essentially in cells as Michael suggests), it's hard to say how many were still out there and active at the time of Achad's passing into the mahaguruship. Achad's successor John P. Kowal eventually passed the leadership to Frederick Kayser, author of Son of the Magus, who died in the mid-2000s. The breaking up of Kayser's archive is what has led to the fragmented status of so many of Achad's letters and unpublished papers.

I believe Henrik Bogdan is planning on publishing Son of the Magus, unless plans have changed in the last couple of years — I have a copy, but have avoided sharing it widely so as to avoid interfering with Prof. Bogdan's plans.

It will be great to read a copy of Achad's 1932 letter to Crowley in the upcoming book, which I haven't seen. 1932 was a momentous year for Achad, as these quotations suggest -- the year of his "Silver Star ordeal" which lays the groundwork for his unique synthesis of UB material with Thelema and his own personal insights. It makes sense he tried to reconcile with Crowley that year, because on Achad's side it sparked a new interest in Liber AL and its mysteries.


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24/03/2019 3:03 am  

Nicholas, thank you for your posts which are very interesting and helpful. Prior to this thread, I had attempted to communciate with the website in question to inquire if this UB was the same UB with which Achad was connected. I saw he was not represented in the photo gallery/history.

I've not received reply to date.

Would I be correct in assuming that Kayser appointed no successor and his cell (the "Achad Branch") thus ended? Perhaps the branch Tiger provided a link to wishes to disassociate from Achad?


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24/03/2019 6:05 pm  

“extensive U.B. correspondence between jones and smith with clear indication of its structure and methods

From Bethlehem to Calvary by Alice Bailey
who divided the life of Christ into 5 initiations which correspond with the 5 levels of obligation in the U.B.
Paul Foster Case,.suspected that the U.B. was a “tawdry revival” of Weishaupt’s Illuminati and that its “purple” papers had been in circulation prior to 1905 “
The Unknown God by Martin P. Starr pg 116

( Crowley on the U.B.)
“ Heard from Achad; an importative of the Integrality of the Relationsism of the Ipsissimissity of Beingism with the Magusdom of Wordility, the Trutharianism of his Remarksosity is pleasantatious to my Sireanity , & has macerated the Urge of my Soulology pyramidalize in a Wayism hithertely almostiful as strangeiferous as I can remembranceify in this Incarnationality .”
Crowley diary entry for Nov 12 1923

The Unknown God by Martin P. Starr pg 142

Rudolf Steiner
Paul Foster Case
C.F. Russel
Israel Regardie
Wilfred Talbot Smith
Max Schneider

strange how they would get wrapped up in the Mahacakra society


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24/03/2019 6:24 pm  

“ Heard from Achad; an importative of the Integrality of the Relationsism of the Ipsissimissity of Beingism with the Magusdom of Wordility, the Trutharianism of his Remarksosity is pleasantatious to my Sireanity , & has macerated the Urge of my Soulology pyramidalize in a Wayism hithertely almostiful as strangeiferous as I can remembranceify in this Incarnationality .”
Crowley diary entry for Nov 12 1923

A true gem, thank you, Tiger! Very few words here (the only long one being "macerate") not marked by The Borg as misspelled, strangely.


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24/03/2019 6:57 pm  

@ignant
had a long battle with the spell checker typing that one
and i guess it won on that word ,

it should be

& has makated the Urge


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25/03/2019 3:28 am  

@kidneyhawk, It doesn't appear that Kayser appointed a successor. I wouldn't say the current iteration of the UB wishes to dissociate from Achad, but the focus is definitely on the original papers and teachings. In the Portfolio page, you can see some hints as to how the UB survived Kayser's death — several other "branches" or isolated remnants of the UB survived under different names. I think the OTO archive also contains a large number of UB papers, but I don't think anyone possesses the full set of the UB sutras other than the UB linked to earlier in Tiger's post (though, again, it's not impossible that there are other people out there who possess and study the UB teachings whom we don't know about).

(Full disclosure, I am not the primary contact behind the UB site, but I am a student and member of it.)

Martin Starr's book is great on Achad's history and involvement with the UB, but Starr's attempt to summarize the UB teachings is not really accurate. Nothing in the UB has much to do with Alice Bailey. I also don't think PFC was right to suggest a link to the Illuminati.

Crowley's parody, on the other hand, isn't totally inaccurate, even though I myself really enjoy and appreciate the UB papers. 😉 There's quite a lot of obscure or abstract terminology involved.


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25/03/2019 8:14 pm  

A few days ago a friend in Australia sent me a couple of interesting adverts he'd turned up. The first was for a soap called Carbolo, whose advertising slogan was "Make Black Hands White"; he'd located an instance of this in a newspaper, the Leader-Post, published in Regina, Canada, for 22nd October 1927 . He also found, advertised a few years after that, in the 'Evening Star' for Octber 16th 1936, published in Washington, D.C., a soap called "NEMO".

Bob Monkhouse would have killed for material like this.


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26/03/2019 12:30 am  

So no man is behind making black hands white.


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26/03/2019 2:27 am  

Nicholas,

Thank you kindly for your reply. I am finding this thread quite intriguing for a number of reasons and I appreciate your reply. I also appreciate the information you've shared via your many articles online.

Tiger,

I have never read Starr's book and, regrettably, it's a bit on the costly side these days. Hoping it may see an new edition. The diary entry from AC is classic and I thank you for sharing. I was laughing out loud as I read this!

Were Achad to be posting on this site, I think he'd be torn to pieces for his suggestion that a soap advert was of any symbolic significance.

Conversely, can anyone imagine Crowley on Facebook? Would he sway his Friend's List to a persuasion of his Genius and Prophet of the Aeon status?

As a longtime reader of Crowley (and one whose Karmic Trajectory has been impacted by the 93 Current), I have encountered numerous "supporting characters" in the Drama of the Great Beast. Most of these fail to reach "escape velocity." Achad is an exception. I bought my copy of Liber Aleph before I'd even read Liber AL. Needless to say, there was much in its pages which my younger self couldn't comprehend. But I do recall being impressed with the image of Jones as "insane" via Crowley's words cited by Breeze in the Intro.

Who was crazier? The guy who fiddled with the Tree or the guy who ate poop because he was such a Hyper-Initiate?
Crowley won the "Most Followers" award but Achad seems to be resurging as a figure in which Aleister plays his own part of "supporting character," perhaps more so than any other associate of the Great Wild Beast.


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26/03/2019 3:29 pm  

kh: Were Achad to be posting on this site, I think he’d be torn to pieces for his suggestion that a soap advert was of any symbolic significance.

"I will interpret all phenomena as a particular dealing of God with my Soul." - NEMO's Oath.

If he really was Nemo, our fellows could try to tear him apart.

Even if he wasn't Nemo, he might still bluff his way along. Many people "attacked" Los, exposing his logic nd style, but he didn't tear apart well. Well, he did de-part, if that counts.

Achad seems to be resurging

I read the Blue Equinox before anything else. Achad was featured therein, and I adopted him as my hero (not AC). He (A.'.) did discover the "key to it all," and he cetainly cranked out some fine books. To start with, they made sense. When he got to where he inverted the Tree of life was around the time he ascended to Ipsissimus and started to boss the Magus around.

I had to bring him down from "Hero" status, but (as I have recently stated) ... He hung in there. He kept going for many years. He did not die prematurely, or kill himself, or get locked up. You are correct, he is a "key" figure in the halls of Thelema.


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26/03/2019 5:04 pm  

@michael Staley
“A few days ago a friend in Australia sent me a couple of interesting adverts he’d turned up. The first was for a soap called Carbolo, whose advertising slogan was “Make Black Hands White”; he’d located an instance of this in a newspaper, the Leader-Post, published in Regina, Canada, for 22nd October 1927 . He also found, advertised a few years after that, in the ‘Evening Star’ for Octber 16th 1936, published in Washington, D.C., a soap called “NEMO”.”

yada yada yada
lets see it !

@Kidneyhawk
$869.56 used Wow !
US$ 1,269.91 Yikes
https://www.abebooks.com/9780933429079/Unknown-God-W.T-Smith-Thelemites-093342907X/plp
good thing i only paid 50

“Jones wrote Crowley a letter of resignation from the O.T.O.
I feel that this Order might have been of value for the Freeing of Humanity under the New Law, as a business concern, it fails to interest me in any way. I have to admit that certain suggestions you have made have every appearance on your part to make use of the Order for private and personal ends, and this is very distasteful to me. I feel that i cannot continue further along these lines without going against my True Will and therefore entirely sever my connection with the Order both in my Official Capacity of Deputy G.M.G. Grand Treasure General and Viceroy of Canada and as a private member of the Order .
Regarding the A∴A∴ , Jones reserved “ my absolute Freedom to act as the True Light is given unto me. “”
The Unknown God by Martin P. Starr pg 90

“Although Crowley had stated that Jones ceased to be a member of A∴A∴ , his membership would be revived once Crowley opened communications with him in 1936 at the time of the anticipated publication of The Equinox of the Gods “
The Unknown God by Martin P. Starr pg 161

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“Achad seems to be resurging “
yeah a bunch of his books glared out at me last time i was in NYC


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27/03/2019 2:27 am  

Shiva-

It's my thought that NEMO is a Name/Word signifying what we might call Superpersona (in the sense that it lifts one up into the One [Achad] and destroys, at the very least, attachment to the seeming singular self as a baseline measuring rod of Reality).

Do we "kick against the pricks" here by regarding a Canadian by the name of Jones as this "NEMO?" Are we not this same Thing when we divest ourselves of certain attachments?

Now...that Oath of the Abyss. It will yield up interpretations of "God" dealing with "Me" or "You" which will seem utterly absurd (although, perhaps, remarkably clever). My point was: if I started up a thread here at Lashtal to announce that I had received a message from a Tide advertisement (because "TIDE" must surely refer to the CURRENT [93]), I think I'd be the easiest Prey for the Dogs of Reason.

"The poor sod must also be reading oracles in the 'Zen Garden' litter box when he scoops up cat turds."

Kidneyhawk posts picks of the clumps.

As you point out, they'd break their teeth on that Adamantine Buddha Skin.

Although they would, admittedly, skip off, feeling well fed and full.

"What an Idiot!"

Here I think of Wittgenstein who wrote, in his wonderful "On Certainty,"

"Whether a proposition can turn out false after all depends on what I make count as determinants for that proposition."

I always felt that this was the problem when conversing with Los over the Supernatural. He would default to the demand for "evidence" to support a "claim."

What sort of "evidence?" Do we provide a laboratory measurement to "prove" we have experienced a given emotion?
Do we provide an argument via a linguistic system rooted in dualism (Hello, English) to convince another of our non-dualistic gnosis?

I write this with a certain affection for Los. Seriously. I thought it was great fun to "fight" with him.

Does that make him a "Brother?"

If NEMO is the Superpersona beyond our individual individuations, I think that may be an "affirmative."

Back to the "Oath." We all know what the deal is. Just cross your heart and hope to die.

But what is the point of this exercise...or sadhana?

When we interpret all things as a direct dealing of God with our own Soul/Psyche/Consciosness, what happens?

We enter into a space where we can only understand all impressions, thoughts and experiences as emanating from ourselves. For who else is there to interpret?

We leave behind an attachment to an external objective reality and understand that our Consciosuness IS Reality.

The "External" is only granted veracity by the Authority of the Individual Consciousness...which is to say the SEEMING INDIVIDUAL who is, in Essence, NEMO.

And THAT is the Jump.


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27/03/2019 5:07 am  

kh: It’s my thought that NEMO is a Name/Word signifying what we might call Superpersona (in the sense that it lifts one up into the One [Achad] and destroys, at the very least, attachment to the seeming singular self as a baseline measuring rod of Reality).
Do we “kick against the pricks” here by regarding a Canadian by the name of Jones as this “NEMO?” Are we not this same Thing when we divest ourselves of certain attachments?

It my thought that Nemo is a generic title for someone, anyone, who is renting a room in the Binah Hotel on a permanent basis. Many people (who are not Nemo in consciousness as yet, but who have had either flashes of insight or more than 100 mcg of LSD, easily grasp this concept (No Man, No Mind). I completely agree that it applies to anyone/everyone who, as you say, divests themselves accordingly. It's a funny thing, but it sees like nobody can just surrender. We all have to work at it, and then there's this interesting action taken by the Universe/A.'.A.'./Spiritual Hierarchy that helps us ... usually by ripping something away. Jones was Nemo, AC was Nemo, others have claimed this funny title out of Jules Verne.

kh: Now…that Oath of the Abyss.

From what follows your intro (Now ...), it appears you mean the Oath of a Magister. Let me put forth the order and direction (once again ... it seems I have to bring up this same boring data from time to time.

The Oath of the Abyss is "All that I have and all that I am is the property of the A.'.A.'. forever." This has nothing to do with a Magister (Nemo), except it's supposedly a prerequisite for that grade. The Oath of a Magister is that long one with (I believe) ten clauses, the last one of which covers "I," "phenomena," "God," and "Soul."

All these terms and titles are so confusing. The bottom line is, when you (anyone) are cruising on the buddhic plane (Binah), whether by years of labor, or simply because you took a pill, there is still an I Am awareness. It's a bit different than the normally accepted concept of "I Am Me" (and you are other), but there remains a certain sense of Self awareness ... it's simply that it can also be seen/sensed/appreciated as the same deal in other folks.

[Los] Does that make him a “Brother?”

Same deal. Along the corridors of the standard, operating human mind, I Am me, you are you, and my Brother is my brother because we had at least one common parent. Or maybe I got adopted into a family that had other kids (it's starting to sound like the Rosicrucians, or something) ... that kind of Brother. Then there's the perception that we're all extensions of the same, um, thing.

I always (usually, which allows for exceptions) enjoy chatting about these concepts. I agree with your point of view. There is another bottom line in place, and that is: Volumes of Equinoxes and Holy Writ can be cranked out about brotherhood, the great white whale (Oh no, that was Ahab not Nemo) brotherhood, fraternal brotherhood (fraternities and sororities), and assorted gang mentality ... but it's all just practice. At a certain pylon (an invisible one) along the path, it becomes obvious that we're all the same. There is no difference. And this becomes "obvious" through direct perception (gnosis in QBL slang).

Any separation, differentiation, grading, arguing, or just plain fighting all takes place on the causal plane (the abstract mind, known to us as Chesed-Geburah-Tiphareth) or farther down the ladder. And that so-called causal plane is pretty high up the ladder.

This all disappears at Binah. "But there is that which remains." I am still me and you are still you, but we can see ourselves in the other.

Despite my joy in engaging in such lofty talk/write, it comes down to the fact that writing, talking and comparing is not gonna work. For anyone who has directly experienced this "brotherhood," even for a short space, it only takes a world or two, or maybe just a symbol, for a "brother" to recognize a brother, or sister. There is recognition among Adepts (without having to show your card or lamen, and without exchanging secret words and grips, but that is simply recognizing another Adept. The No-Difference Brotherhood meets at Binah.

We don't get to stay at the Binah Hotel indefinitely. While we are checked in, the whole scenario is is eternal and timeless. But then we find ourselves back in ourselves again ... usually having to go to work in order to sustain the vehicle, or to feed the dog.

There are so many other points in your post, but I haven't read them yet. My vehicle cannot persist at this time. Perhaps tomorrow I'll drop in and see if there's anything else I can comment upon. You know what's going on. I know what's going on. Well over half the posters on LAShTAL know what's going on. (Going on with No Man/No Mind).


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27/03/2019 5:43 am  

Thanks all, this is a great thread. Appreciate your comments, kidneyhawk, and I'm glad my posts have been useful. I didn't realize either that The Unknown God was going for so much money these days, which is really unfortunate. I think Starr's book and an essay in the OTO anthology Success is Your Proof are almost the only published sources that actually discuss Achad and the UB in any detail.

Crowley won the “Most Followers” award but Achad seems to be resurging as a figure in which Aleister plays his own part of “supporting character,” perhaps more so than any other associate of the Great Wild Beast.

He hung in there. He kept going for many years. He did not die prematurely, or kill himself, or get locked up. You are correct, he is a “key” figure in the halls of Thelema.

Frater Achad is really important to me for a number of reasons, so I'm really glad to read these comments (and to know that the Aeon of Maat letters will soon be published in their entirety, and to see the new editions of Achad works recently). Having read a large amount of Achad's correspondence and papers by now, as well as some letters from his wife after his death and reminiscences by his post-Crowley students, it's ridiculous to think he went "insane." He seems to have lived a mostly humble family life for his last few decades and continued to teach students right up until the months before his death (I think the latest letters I have are from late 1949).

Achad also seems to have maintained close relationships with some loyal students, like John P. Kowal, for decades — very unlike Crowley's ability to constantly find and then alienate or discard his best pupils. This isn't to say Achad isn't sometimes frustrating, cryptic, or could see synchronicities and meaning in places we might find far-fetched, but I think he lacked the cruelty that Crowley could have and was willing to "go silent" for decades just providing for his family, privately furthering his 'Great Initiation' and corresponding with students.


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27/03/2019 6:50 am  

What the actual fuck can this mean?! I mean, we all know who NEMO is, but what can it mean to make “black hands” (literal? metaphorical?) “white” (same questions)????

all levels of answers, one that sprang to mind

- the natural or actually not so natural auras around us are black. Our hands are black when we meditate once a being has "crossed the abyss" the first time the awareness of the aura grows and colour surrounds. When in a meditative state concentration shows this visibly around hands, beings, objects. The awareness of the world is not all it seems. The being learns more of the truth, goes through new trials, learns more lessons, stagnates for reasons of alignment, Then one day on a "IamYetToNameIt" day/coupla days such as the equinox, and eclipse, solstice, energy aligns, they begin a journey through a series of rapid changes culminating in a that one moment, the conditions are met, they cross the abyss once more in an a̶v̶a̶l̶a̶n̶c̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶l̶e̶d̶g̶e̶ epiphany, lightening bulb moment of joy, movement which starts the journey all over again. Excitement, learning,new knowledge,stagnation,trial,test, the wheel goes around, the colours open up, sounds, atmosphere. the books start to make sense, the books know you before you know them. The grades go up, the universe reveals more. The mountain is conquered and ultimately then during a meditative state hands turn white.

and as more hands glow white beecurse tumbles over

Crowley on the U.B.)
“ Heard from Achad; an importative of the Integrality of the Relationsism of the Ipsissimissity of Beingism with the Magusdom of Wordility, the Trutharianism of his Remarksosity is pleasantatious to my Sireanity , & has macerated the Urge of my Soulology pyramidalize in a Wayism hithertely almostiful as strangeiferous as I can remembranceify in this Incarnationality .”
Crowley diary entry for Nov 12 1923

the important fundamental essence of the ipsissmiss is a relationship/joining/dissolving of self with wisdom knowledge and truth causing remarkable change and sylthness which macertes the soul of the borg pyramid in most strange ways that I remember deeper than this incarnation


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27/03/2019 1:12 pm  

Everything in the nature is both a whole and a part
more space than matter
out and in
beyond forever
there is always the prejudice
reductionist materialistic bias
of the most portentous dimension

never the less
when the magical spills into
the space
where the whole is simultaneously a part of some other whole

if soul and god are used as wishful thinking
to foster a false sense of self; macerate it

if you make-ate it
digest nourish the vital essence
dream and work toward that hotel in Binah

“dogma inspires impotence but imagination evokes a transformative power.
Name it and claim it. “ -kh

the trick is knowing the difference
between a blessing and a curse
between virtue and vice

and to be able to bequeath it
to those that carry the propensity


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27/03/2019 7:51 pm  

Oh, yes, there's the question of Achad's sanity. There was a letter written from one Agape Lodge member to another (not AC to Smith or Wolfe, or any of the usual suspects. It might have been Montenegro to McMurtry, or Leffingwell to Burlingame ... I certainly can't remember who. The letter contained the following statement:

"Saw C.S. Jones yesterday. He is medico-legally insane."
(no more, nothing further).

(Ached DID stop in to chat with Wilfred Smith [his descendant as Grand Master of Agape Lodge] [note: Achad was the founder of Agape Lodge #1], so it could have been Smith.

I think this statement indicates a concept that was prevalent at that time (it was late 1930s or early 40s).

This was (and remains) an improper and fraudulent remark. It was probably some Agapist using fancy words in a derogatory outburst. If he was medico-legally insane, that would mean he was judged unfit to carry on with his daily life. Medico- means a doctor certified him with some (Greek words) condition. Legally implies a Judge banging his gavel and announcing the verdict.

The truth of the matter probably lies in the attitude that is developed by a group (essentially any group) towards a member who leaves. The word traitor often pops up, even though the individual has not looted the coffers, disclosed the Word of some degree in the newspaper, or done anything to harass, undermine, or expose the Lodge . This has to do with how matters are often often seen in various Outer Orders. Members cannot simply say, "I've had enough," and walk away without degradation and hateful expressions.

I've seen it many times, and probably so have you (any one of you).

Achad may have been cryptic. He may have inverted the sacred Tree, he may have succeeded Therion, even before Therion was gone, he may have found his own internal solace by entering an Aeon that's not supposed to arrive for two more millennia, but I find no evidence that he was insane.

kh: (same initials as koot hoomi ... say, you're not the Bodhisattva, are you?) When we interpret all things as a direct dealing of God with our own Soul/Psyche/Consciosness, what happens?

There is trickery embedded in this Oath under examination. Forget the "I," "God," "phenomena," and "Sol" for a moment. Le's look at the word interpret. This implies that I/you/we experience a phenomenon ("an unusual happening") and we engage our Mind to interpret the happening as a divine intervention. As stated earlier, this is another practice, one that is used to (try to) keep (or propel) our consciousness onto Binah.

If one is actually within the Binah zone, there is no need to interpret anything. One directly perceives that this "happening" is a synchronicity involving some form of "higher" being (God is the word used, in this case). The word coincidence is also accurate (it means "same time"), but it's general use and meaning fall short of synchronicity, which is a "meaningful coincidence."

A couple of times in the past year we had the opportunity to be in this "state," and we discussed, "Isn't it interesting that we can not only be in this state, but we're seeing exactly the same thing, and discussing it." (Without any need to interpret or analyze anything. So, more than the lonely mystic can be involved ... as very interesting feedback into life on the buddhic plane.

kh: We enter into a space where we can only understand all impressions, thoughts and experiences as emanating from ourselves. For who else is there to interpret?

(any other person within one's perception who is on the same level).

I would agree with this context and your question. But, again, in order to be precise, I see the word interpret being a function of the mind. An afterthought, as it were. We do not need to interpret anything if we simply recognize the phenomenon for what it is ... and act accordingly ... without the mind getting involved. This concept (no-minding, no-thinking, wu-wei) is one of the "highest" considerations we can encounter in the philosophy of Thelema.

In Aikido, it is lesson number one. Of course, the beginning and intermediate students cannot actually do it ... but there are moments, even for a beginner, when a technique works perfectly: a football-player sized macho falls effortlessly to the mat, put there by a woman in her fourth lesson (I am citing an actual phenomenon).

Ai = harmony, Ki = spirit, Do = Tao (way). The techniques will not work properly unless one is relaxed and in-sync with the opponent's entire being. Any proper movement is executed via Binah. All else is down below, a technique, a skill, a practice, but not Ai. I always enjoy the part where a student learns a technique, and then I casually attack them (using my own Ki). More often then not, the student is then amazed at how I can stand smiling, immobile, and disappointed that their efforts do not work (it's because they're using effort, not harmony). Anyone and everyone is invited to drop in if they're in the neighborhood, and I'll show you exactly what I mean.

I have been in ongoing correspondence and dialog for years with an interesting person. Tim Leary picked him to be the first "gifted" person to try out LSD. He was the technician who wired up Jack Schwarz at the Menninger Clinic when they tested people with "paranormal" abilities. He had a doctorate in physics and went on to help form a SEAL team, whose members were taught how to make instant decisions without thinking. He was Meral's student in the early 70s. Guess who his first teacher was ... Achad! I will ask him about when this took place, and what his impression of Achad was. I'll get back to y'all, if and when I get a "meaningful" reply.


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27/03/2019 7:55 pm  

T: there is always the prejudice

This is true. I believe there is an exception to this rule of thumb, which we may encounter at Kether.


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29/03/2019 12:41 am  

Oh, yes, there’s the question of Achad’s sanity

How would one know and gain a sanity rating when resonance "currents" and adverse influences are designed to attack that one part of us.

If one was the subject of ten years if not a lifetime of "interference" corruption and a gaslighting campaign specifically designed to "question someones sanity" and send them crazy, using all sorts of weapons at disposal including resonance.... Then even the subject would think they were indeed crazy, imagining things, and unbalanced and begin to act somewhat looney.

From the other side, anything the subject says is dismissed because crazy....

In action it is scary to watch, the insane ones are probably the sanest ...
point also my posts during a transmutation phase. now that's crazy ... but oh so very sane and Im always like did I really write that ... I wish I hadn't deleted my old profile because some of the things I posted especially in the Tzaddi thread I have since clarified and found to be thought provoking and relevant

damn archad reminds me of a younger male in my team that just asked me for thoth material


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29/03/2019 1:32 am  

In regard to Achad's "student," I was wrong (as you will see). But I still have some interesting data.

I received the following reply to my "Achad Inquiry":

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Frater Shiva:

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

Wished Bill Heidrick was still around. He was the very best historian, while trolls now try to morph O.T.O. and A:.A;. into strangeness.

I helped Phyllis Seckler form The College of Thelema, and have articles in the first issues of In The Continuum. I have all issues in my Library now (to include SOTHUS, others) - 6,000 entries.

I studied under Phyllis Seckler, Mildred Burlingame, and Helen-Parsons Smith in 1971. Charles Stanfield Jones was already long dead, when Lee Heflin, Kenneth Anger, and McFarland emerged - during my Beltane era....

Mildred introduced me to Jones' widow, who lived up in BC [British Columbia -ed]. Because they all three referred to me as "The Follower," I was given his library (1977).

Jones made it up to at least Grade 7 [7=4 -ed], and wrote about it = "beyond that grade, one does not need to disclose higher levels of attainment." He was true to that mark.

Grady gave me an OTO endorsement. Then, I went on and created a series on Path-workings (not yet published). The first in that series was The Modern Alchemist.

Jones himself was a scholar, and his notes demonstrated his Grade - and the importance of his contributions to the growth in Magick. His system of Magick was quite different than Austin Osman Spare or James Beck (aka Jimmy Rocket).

By the way, and if I have not said it enough, it is a true honor to be in touch with you. I personally have not met very many individuals on the Path with whom I have complete respect. You were there, even before me... Thanks for thinking of me (and, as a colleague).

Love is the law, love under will.

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I hope y'all enjoyed this perspective.
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