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12/01/2011 2:48 pm  

The Wake World is one of my favorite tales written by AC.

Is it possible to find some written comments on The Wake World?


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Shiva
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12/01/2011 3:18 pm  
"ariela" wrote:
Is it possible to find some written comments on The Wake World?

COMMENT: The Wake World is a description of the Tree of Life combined with the adventures of the spiritual "Path" from the [feminine] viewpoint of a young girl experiencing a fairy-tale encounter of the first kind.

This book is suitable for children of all ages, including Horus-children.

Written in the simplest terms, it is invaluable for the student who is first assessing the seemingly-complex structure of the Tree. When I first read it, the Tree thereafter took on a dynamic, living quality and I do not hesitate to recommend it to people who find themselves so complexed.

Well, that's my comment. Perhaps you were looking for some "comments" by Crowley? Or others? If you are looking for a Comment/Commentary, with detailed explanations of what each line means, with Qabalistic footnotes detailing the precise meaning of key words ... I have not seen such a thing.

Say, just what kind of comment are you looking for - and by whom?


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12/01/2011 3:21 pm  

......If you are looking for a Comment/Commentary, with detailed explanations of what each line means, with Qabalistic footnotes detailing the precise meaning of key words ... I have not seen such a thing.
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I was hoping to find something like that.


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Shiva
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12/01/2011 6:13 pm  
"ariela" wrote:
......If you are looking for a Comment/Commentary, with detailed explanations of what each line means, with Qabalistic footnotes detailing the precise meaning of key words ... I have not seen such a thing.
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I was hoping to find something like that.

Well, Wake World is written in the simplest possible terms. It's a great beginner's project - looking up the correspondences in 777 and Sepher Sephiroth. Maybe even an "advanced" person's project?

Here's a simple exercise, if you should wish to undertake such a thing: Obtain a diagram or chart of the Tree of Life, preferably with simple notations (attributions). Set up this figure in front of you and refer to it as you read Wake World.


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 Anonymous
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12/01/2011 7:08 pm  

I still cannot complete the poem as I can't find a nice rhyme from camels. Very frustrating.


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 Anonymous
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12/01/2011 7:37 pm  

thank you Shiva!
Will do that. I think it will be handy to others too. Combination with 777, basic of Tarot and symbolism...long ride 😀


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 Anonymous
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12/01/2011 7:40 pm  

Robert_an_Keow I still cannot complete the poem as I can't find a nice rhyme from camels. Very frustrating.
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well, take a deep breath.. 🙂


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 Anonymous
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12/01/2011 10:33 pm  

Still too clever for me. I could work it in reverse, but that would rely on tzaddi being the star after all. And I can see camels being VVVVV, but that does not help me to get a nice flow. I was once advised to read The Wake World as preparation for my Minerval. Years later and this puzzle still haunts me! 😳 Am I just dim or is it a koan?


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 Anonymous
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12/01/2011 10:50 pm  

🙂 but tzaddi is not a star
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i was also advised to read The Wake World for 0°. And i'm still reading this book from time to time. And same puzzle hunts me too.
But there is no place for frustration if you want to find an answer.
Together..we are stronger 😀


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12/01/2011 11:54 pm  
"ariela" wrote:
tzaddi is not a star

Actually: "All these old letters of my Book are aright; but tzaddi is not the Star."

That's "the" Star, not "a". Not to mention it's actually a squiggle and not the word, "tzaddi" (as discussed some time ago on these very pages).

This might seem like mere pedantry but, as with so much else in the Class A documents, there's significance in the words used. Crowley - or whoever - was meticulous and economical in his choice of words…

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 Anonymous
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15/01/2011 12:10 am  

The letter in the line you mention is an Ayin though rather than a Tzaddi...


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15/01/2011 12:13 am  

Perhaps - that's actually discussed in detail in the Forums…

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 Anonymous
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15/01/2011 3:51 am  

LAShTAL,

can you refer me to those fora? I have looked, but I have not found.

I believe the "squiggle" in Liber AL is Tzaddi. It sure ain't Ayin. It may be an Ayin, made over to Tzaddi, but that would seem to be a 'typographical error' on the part of the scribe. Ayin and Tzaddi are similar, hence (possibly) the rushed error.

And what is Tzaddi but the fish-hook? Check Atu XXI, she has it in her hand. Tzaddi now connects Netzach to Yesod/Moon.


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 Anonymous
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15/01/2011 11:06 am  

Ayin is what's in the Invocation of the Ring, I can see this now if I squint a bit. Still doesn't help in me solving the rhyme though. What the squiggle is in Liber Al I'm not sure at all. The manuscript looks to me as though it might have been something completely different and then over-written.


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15/01/2011 12:38 pm  
"Azwyth" wrote:
can you refer me to those fora? I have looked, but I have not found.

http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-1167.phtml is a good place to start but do make an effort to read the other threads referred to in that one.

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 Anonymous
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16/01/2011 3:47 am  

Thank you!


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 Anonymous
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16/01/2011 2:39 pm  

What I actually meant was that the letter in the line of The Wake World is an Ayin... (I wasn't commenting in Liber AL)


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20/08/2020 10:04 am  

Friends - How would you recommend that students approach Frater Zephyros' Sefirotic comments?

http://www.astronargon.us/The%20Wake%20World%20Commented.pdf

 


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Shiva
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20/08/2020 6:45 pm  
Posted by: @ffiltrigsmith

How would you recommend that students approach Frater Zephyros' Sefirotic comments?

With their eyes wide open and their mind set on discrimination of veracity from duplicity.

The doc is listed as Class C, which means "suggestive," The A.'.A.'. seals and emblems are flown on the Imprimatur page [section], but there is no date or issuing authority listed, except by inference.

This is a "Let's Pretend" document that has been "Made up" to look like an official A.'.A.'. publication, which it apparently is not.

As for the content and the comments, the interpretation must be left to any individual who chooses to read it. My advice to a student would be to read The Wake World in its original format. It is simple enough for the kindergardener.

Say, you aren't Frater Zephyr himself, are you? Here to promote your new work by pretending to ask a simple question? If so, and I hate to do it, the Grand Tribunal from the sixth dimension will have to be convened ... again. This time for "pretending to set up a showpiece for establishing the buttocks of the commentator on sacred works upon The Seat in the East." (commonly known as self-promotion, a minor felony).

 

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22/08/2020 7:31 am  

@shiva -

(1) Thank you!

Caveat lector, indeed!
Are such booby-traps embedded in many of the documents on Astron Argon's website?
Maybe its banner use of the translated Jesuitical phrase "nostri" ("of 'us'") provides fair notice.

(2) I agree: The sephirotic, tarotic, and alchemical symbols are mostly so transparent as to require little beyond the confirmation to be gained by ticking off AC's marginalia.
Although I first came across this story without the KoP marginalia - as the Heroine's bare narrative - I found the geography of most of the images unmistakable. (It requires no Baedeker nor "Planet Narnia" to alert the minimally-prepared reader to his location and heading.)
The undereducation of today's Cultural Class is well indicated by the failure of some paid reviewers of Hertzberg' opera to betray any glimmer of insight, after asking "Where's THAT from?"

(3) No, I am a different person from him.
(Neither I am "John Barron," hunting for a late-life new career.)

But, your having suggested it, I may now be destined someday to use the trick you describe - to my tarnation, not yours.

(4) In gratitude for your help: Please be aware of Sr. Merlin Licoricepants' charming reading of the base text, podcast in "Speech in the Silence" starting 6/23/2015.

In future performances, can we hope to hear a singer of her qualities, rather than of Bruennhilde Hoeglund's? Seventeen years old, indeed.

https://speechinthesilence.com/program-58-solstice-in-cancer-year-111

LitL.


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