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 Anonymous
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02/09/2007 9:03 pm  

This has probably been asked before on this Forum, but I couldn't find a similar thread. So, I'm just going to ask and brave the ridicule that's sure to follow. 😉

If you could take only one of Crowley's books (or Libri) to the proverbial 'desert island,' which one would it be?

Thanks for humoring me. 😀


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03/09/2007 1:07 am  

Book Four, Liber: ABA


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 Anonymous
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03/09/2007 2:47 am  

But seriously, Seer_IAO, it is really a shame that you fear you will suffer ridicule for asking a simple and relevant question on this forum.

The combined knowledge on this website is vast; unfortunately, it has degenerated into a "gentleman's club". Snooty and exclusive.

I only hope you gain something from it before this thread is LOCKED!

MisterBlack


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 Anonymous
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03/09/2007 2:48 am  

The Law is For All or Liber AL vel Legis.

After that, Book of Lies.


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 Anonymous
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03/09/2007 3:09 am  

Last posts of mine rapidly excised. Pathetic. Defensive. Weak. I would be disappointed, but I just don't care anymore.

Have fun.

Crowley would be ashamed. He had more cajones.


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03/09/2007 3:13 am  

MisterBlack,

"MisterBlack" wrote:
Last posts of mine rapidly excised. Pathetic. Defensive. Weak. I would be disappointed, but I just don't care anymore.

Have fun.

Crowley would be ashamed. He had more cajones.

The post that was "rapidly excised" was the one accusing the moderators here of being Nazis. I don't know what your problem is, and I don't have the time or inclination to find out.

Your account is hereby terminated.

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lashtal
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03/09/2007 3:15 am  

The Confessions would be my first choice, followed by volume 2 of The Collected Works.

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03/09/2007 4:58 am  

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The Book of Thoth. It is unbelievably dense yet practical. One could study those 78 pages for a lifetime and barely mine the knowledge therein. I believe it is the capstone work of Crowley and of magick in general. All of Crowley's writings and confluence of philosophies seem to be covered and linked together by the cards. Interestingly, Crowley created the Book of Thoth thirty years after he wrote the following:

The Great Wheel of Samsara.
The Wheel of the Law. (Dhamma)
The Wheel of the Taro.
The Wheel of the Heavens.
The Wheel of Life.
All these Wheels be one; yet of all these the Wheel of TARO alone avails thee consciously.
Meditate long and broad and deep, O man, upon this Wheel, revolving it in thy mind!
Be this thy task, to see how each springs necessarily from each other card, even in its due order from The Fool unto the Ten of Coins.
Then, when thou know'st the Wheel of Destiny complete, may'st thou perceive THAT Will which moved it first. [There is no first or last].
And lo! thou art past through the Abyss.

John

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03/09/2007 6:14 am  

Thoth, 777 and MIT&P


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Azidonis
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03/09/2007 1:39 pm  

93,

Holy Books (Liber L included), 777, Book of Thoth, Little Essays, Book 4.

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 Anonymous
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03/09/2007 4:13 pm  

93,

Haha...I noticed folks on here couldn't seem to make up their minds about only one!

So, I'll brave it, pick only one, and say that it'd have to be Book 4.

93,
Stephanie


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 Anonymous
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03/09/2007 4:37 pm  

Vision and the VOice 🙂


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 Anonymous
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04/09/2007 3:24 pm  

Thanks to all of you for your responses. It seems that most of you couldn't make it with just ONE book. 😀

Let me change the question a little: Which one book would you recommend for someone who knew nothing about A.C.? For instance, you want to introduce a new friend to the Beast so you give them the book __________ (fill in the blank).

Thanks again for humoring me.


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04/09/2007 4:14 pm  

Confessions

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 Anonymous
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04/09/2007 4:46 pm  

'Liber Aleph' of course!


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Azidonis
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04/09/2007 5:27 pm  

93,

It really depends on the friend and what their inclination is. However, "this is the law to give". Can't go wrong with Liber AL!

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04/09/2007 6:15 pm  

The Book of Lies. Good if you have to spend time in your own head.


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04/09/2007 7:00 pm  

93,

My first thought on this was Liber AL or perhaps The Book of Lies. But, if it could be only one, I would have to go with........ Liber Aleph.

(Notice how I actually listed 3 books! 😕 It is a tough choice)

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04/09/2007 7:31 pm  

Diary of a Drug Fiend. Lively, hilarious, irreverent, decadent. All the things you need, esp on a desert island.


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 Anonymous
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05/09/2007 12:02 am  

I would say either Book 4 or Gems from the Equinox. Both are just simply packed full of good instruction and could use a lot of studying.


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 Anonymous
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01/03/2008 11:24 pm  

Well, I would have to say that Gems From the Equinox would be top of my list as it contains so many of the books already mentioned.


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01/03/2008 11:38 pm  

I'm a Liber Aleph man from way back.


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 Anonymous
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01/03/2008 11:42 pm  

BOOK FOUR (aka Liber ABA aka Magick in Theory and Practise). It contains LIBER AL in one of the sections..


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 Anonymous
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02/03/2008 2:19 am  

Do what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the law

93,

My two cents: Magick Without Tears if you know nothing of Uncle Al.

93,

Love is the law, love under Will


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 Anonymous
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02/03/2008 2:19 pm  

Liber ABA, no doubt.

I`m surprised by some of the choices here - I don`t see how anyone could START studying Crowley with Liber Aleph(pardons if you were answering the first question)? And Diary of a drug fiend - Am I the only one who thinks this book is pure garbage? I also find Confessions a strange choice for several reason...
I don`t mean to lash out at anyone, I was just curious about your thoughts.


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02/03/2008 3:55 pm  
"Boris" wrote:
Liber ABA, no doubt.

I`m surprised by some of the choices here - I don`t see how anyone could START studying Crowley with Liber Aleph(pardons if you were answering the first question)? And Diary of a drug fiend - Am I the only one who thinks this book is pure garbage? I also find Confessions a strange choice for several reason...
I don`t mean to lash out at anyone, I was just curious about your thoughts.

The question was not which book to start with, but what book to bring to a desert island. Ironically, most people would say Liber ABA (your choice) is one of the worst books to start reading Crowley with.

...For me: "Leah Sublime" and the Tunis Comment. Juuust kidding.

What in Diary of a Drug Fiend is 'pure garbage'?

IAO131


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 Anonymous
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03/03/2008 2:12 am  

Book 4 Parts I-IV

(its big enough to not grow completely stale haha)

but how could we only choose one?! through the power of will, i could easily *cough* smuggle in my 1st editions Book of Changes and Liber Al!!! 😆


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 Anonymous
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03/03/2008 11:02 am  
"IAO131" wrote:
The question was not which book to start with, but what book to bring to a desert island.

The question was rephrased,

"IAO131" wrote:
Ironically, most people would say Liber ABA (your choice) is one of the worst books to start reading Crowley with.

I would like to hear "most people" pose an arguement then.
Book one is the best book ever written on yoga and also very clearly explaines what Crowley is trying to do and why one should Work. In the first few chapters of MWT Crowley defines and encompasses his system like nowhere else. An understanding of these chapters is THE place to start with Crowley imho. I agree it gets more troublesome after a while, but nowhere else is the basics covered like this.

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What in Diary of a Drug Fiend is 'pure garbage'?

What isn`t? Do I really have to get into how weak that story is? Unlike Crowleys more serious works this is a book he wrote to earn cash, he spent 30 days on it and I can`t really understand how anyone wouldn`t see how it suffers from that.


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03/03/2008 6:19 pm  

On the subject of 'Diary of a Drug Fiend', is it not kind of ironic that Crowley writes this 'true' tale of escape from drug addiction when he himself was hooked on all sorts of hallucinogenic drugs. I am not criticising Crowley per se, but just agreeing with Boris that it is one of the weaker links in the chain.


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 Anonymous
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03/03/2008 7:29 pm  

Lots to say:

First, pertaining to the desert isle question: Liber ABA. It's got so much in there, everything from the hard stuff to the mental stuff.

Second, the best to give someone who hasn't heard of AC before, definatly the Book of Lies. It's more of a right of passage in the sense I would suggest it. If you can find the humor and some gems within it's walls, you not only have potential as a magician but also a sense of humor--something I find is a cornerstone of being a good magician. Place tongue in cheek and ride into night!

The diary of a drug fiend comments: yeah, I wouldn't argue that this is one the greatest, but it's got some good ideas in it. There's no easy way of saying it: people I've known who've really gone through such ordeals get more out of the book. But that's true with anything, and I think that's why the book survives today.

93, Adam


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11/03/2008 3:26 pm  
"ElGod" wrote:
On the subject of 'Diary of a Drug Fiend', is it not kind of ironic that Crowley writes this 'true' tale of escape from drug addiction when he himself was hooked on all sorts of hallucinogenic drugs.

Uh... Cocaine and Heroin are not "hallucinogenic drugs." Cocaine is a Stimulant and Heroin is an Opiate. A Hallucinogen an entirely separate category of drug. 🙄


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 Anonymous
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15/11/2008 9:47 pm  

I'll most likely take The Book of Lies 🙂


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 Anonymous
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16/12/2008 3:16 am  

To a desert island I would take that would be Liber AL vel Legis

To a beginner who has never heard of Crowley before, I would recommend Magic Without Tears. Yes, the book of Thoth is interesting, but like a lot of Crowleys works, it can really go over the readers head if the reader doesn't have some background in the subject matter (tarrot, Kabbalah, Thelema and all of that) I had come across Crowleys works before, but I don't remember really getting into them or understanding them until after I read that book. My husband saw me reading it and called it "socially inept" lol. I do wish I could find a new edition of that somewhere. Provided it was priced reasonably, i would buy them as gifts for various relatives/friends etc who are skeptical of the whole magic thing and don't understand what I see in it.


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16/12/2008 7:11 am  

93

As tempting as Magick, Gems or so many other books might be, I would chose The Holy Books of Thelema.

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16/12/2008 4:03 pm  

White Stains...

well, you said I would be alone 😕


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16/12/2008 4:09 pm  
"einDoppelganger" wrote:
White Stains...

There's always one!

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 Anonymous
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16/12/2008 6:09 pm  

I'd take Magical & Philosophical Commentaries on the Book of the Law. Although technically, it's cheating because it contains Liber AL, as well as the manuscript reproductions, so it's really 3 books in 1.:)

If we were really marooned on a desert island, we'd probably have to light a fire at some point, just to survive. Bearing that in mind, which Crowley book would you use to light your fire with?


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17/12/2008 11:44 am  
"lashtal" wrote:
"einDoppelganger" wrote:
White Stains...

There's always one!

😉

heheh always the class clown : D

Seriously though I think Book 4 1-4 if that counts as a single book?


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 Anonymous
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18/12/2008 7:47 am  

The Book of Lies

I've been enjoying that one since I first picked it up in 1992. Easily my favorite!


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 Anonymous
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18/12/2008 10:28 am  

Mine would have to be book 4 also. I would say its one book-with 4 parts to it.

Great basic magickal instruction!


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 Anonymous
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14/02/2010 12:45 pm  

I view Crowleys work as a tool kit if you take a spanner with you, you can guarentee you should have brought the hammer. However if pressed I'd take the good old swiss army knife - Book of lies or.... Liber Aleph, no oh god it is rathe difficult isn't it?


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 Anonymous
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14/02/2010 1:13 pm  

The Confessions would probably be just the thing for a desert island.


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14/02/2010 1:16 pm  
"Noctifer" wrote:
The Confessions would probably be just the thing for a desert island.

Something we can agree on! As Symonds and others have pointed out, there's much about Crowley's technical work that can only really be understood when one understands Crowley, or at least when one is familiar with the experiences he describes. Mind you, I'd recommend supplementing it with one of the better biographies - say, Kaczynski's Perdurabo - to see the wider picture.

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 Anonymous
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14/02/2010 1:23 pm  

Agreed but surely four readings of Confessions (abridged) gets to the core of this opus however you can keep splashing or diving in the lagoon of other perhaps deeper works, that said if Confessions has not been thoroughly explored it is a wonderfull read. A bit like a stay alone on the said desert island!


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14/02/2010 2:46 pm  

Yes, it has to be all Panama hats and servants or why bother with the island at all? It's the great raconteurship that Crowley had the gift for, with which his generation (and perhaps the next) abounded moreso than our own (imho) - the raconteurship which I would find a most agreeable companion on the endless, steamy, eventless days on such a deserted Island as is being proposed here. Chuck in a roaming jackal as well, a woman or three and a first-rate bar, and I'm there.


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14/02/2010 2:52 pm  
"Noctifer" wrote:
Yes, it has to be all Panama hats and servants or why bother with the island at all?

Which reminds me: I must dust off the panama and book my annual trip to Luxor.

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 Anonymous
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14/02/2010 4:55 pm  

So Luxors the place to be is it? Never been but I can see the atractions for an annual pilgrimage. Might pop over later in the year myself. Any recommendations, and please feel free to include the obvious.


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14/02/2010 6:31 pm  

If you visit nothing else, be sure to see the Temple of Khonsu at Karnak. And get onto the roof to see the graffiti by Ankhefenkhons I.

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14/02/2010 8:10 pm  

I must dust off the panama and book my annual trip to Luxor

Don't forget the whip! 😉


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14/02/2010 8:20 pm  

Mine would be Crowley's Magick.


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