My apologies if I was unclear. I meant that the period where he first launched Thelema as a serious concern was the Equinox era, starting with the boo...

Yes, it is quite a spin. If Crowley had believed these things were worthless he would not have long and detailed discussions with David Curwen, to nam...

Correction regarding the Jung quote at the end due to my careless editing of my response. The Jung quote consisted only of the following (the first pa...

@kidneyhawk, while not a fan at all of Ayn Rand myself, I certainly see how AC might have thought otherwise, and how several artists were inspired by ...

While I am not a big fan of Kenneth Grant's writings myself, having never gotten much out of them, I do get what you mean. You might find it profitabl...

I have not read the Fountainhead, the only book Vrowley to my knowledge ever ready by Ayn Rand, so I could not say luch about its literary qualities, ...

@the_real_simon_iff I believe AC returned to England and never left in late 1932 after his brief stint in Germany between 1930-1932, but your point st...

Right, the question of what went down in Hirsig’s life is a historical question that ought to be answered using normal historical methods. It is not a...

@aleisterion in december 1929 e.v. she had had no contact with AC for several years. She certainly did not serve as his secretary after this date. As ...

I think the fact that she no longer used the thelemic greetings speaks volumes, but that is me. This IMO should not come as a surprise. After all, a...

This circular notice from 1929 e.v. by Leah Hirsig to the various Thelemites that she had presented herself as the Scarlet Woman to, might be of inter...

@kidneyhawk, as I have pointed out my reason for leaving active participation was personal and unrelated to the O.T.O. I also pointed out that Paul kn...

@ignant666 the actual quote from the book does not contain the phrase "that OTO members must avoid". In actual fact in context the quote is merely the...

As a longtime member of LAShTAL.com and a senior member of the O.T.O. I have to admit that I am befuddled as to any claim that members of the O.T.O. a...

Here are some real stats that surveys have fond. There exists many similar surveys and they show similar findings. While belief in supernatural ideas ...

Selfseeker...It is kind of funny that you attempt to prove your point with reference to anecdotal experiences, when much criticism has (rightly in my ...

"Los" wrote: Thanks again for the thorough reply. Before I take the time to sit down and compose a reply to each of your points – which is ...

"Los" wrote: You mention several pieces of private correspondence in which Crowley defines Thelema as something other than a code of conduc...

"Los" wrote: Thank you for the very thoughtful post and for your kind words at the end. No problem, I just call it as I see it and try to...

I will respond later to the rest of your posts, but I thought I would clarify some things you wondered about.No Crowley drafted the Clear Crowley's na...

I will probably regret sticking my head into this nest of hornet, but here goes anyway...Los has proposed that Thelema is a code of individual action ...

Bravo Krzysztof! I think a great deal of mischief could be avoided if people stopped confusing the planes. The O.T.O., as reformulated by Crowley, is ...

"Camlion" wrote: "Patriarch156" wrote: Enjoying your battle against straw-men still I see? If you see yourself as differing ...

"Camlion" wrote: I should add that I do think there is place for Thelemic Religion for those so inclined. I think that it could be an impor...

"Camlion" wrote: Here I am caught between complacent Magicians and the over-zealously Religious. Story of my life. And yes, I do realize th...

"Camlion" wrote: Patriarch156, please see the edit to my last post, and I apologize for not completing before your speedy response. I do ...

"Camlion" wrote: It is this period of Crowley's maturity to which I refer. Yes which contrary to what you wrote did not occur during the ...

"Camlion" wrote: By then he had even changed his mind about "Magick is for ALL," and deferred Magick to those few with a natural interest a...

"uranus" wrote: My personal paradigm is always in flux though depending on what I need to accomplish my Will in that moment. In other wor...

"zardoz" wrote: "Patriarch156" wrote: "zardoz" wrote: "Camlion" wrote: I wonder what it is about thi...

"zardoz" wrote: "Camlion" wrote: I wonder what it is about this work that Zardoz thinks would be of low priority to Crowley. I...

"zardoz" wrote: "Patriarch156" wrote: In other words there is no significant edits as far as I remember to the actual content ...

"zardoz" wrote: "Camlion" wrote: So what, you doubt that the essay should be attributed Crowley as published, and dismiss it o...

"zardoz" wrote: Perhaps we can infer that Crowley wasn't ever satisfied with "Duty?". That would explain the extensive editing to it and th...

"Camlion" wrote: "Patriarch156" wrote: As such it is not a given that one should let stars shine, nor is it a fact of nature t...

"Camlion" wrote: "Patriarch156" wrote: Despite Crowley's driven self-promotion of his new Law, I do not really think that the ...

"Camlion" wrote: By way of providing some context, I posted the link to Duty after reading the following statement by Los in the tainted th...

"the_real_simon_iff" wrote: That's exactly what I mean. Earnestly discussing what Crowley have written and what he might have meant, togeth...

"the_real_simon_iff" wrote: and so it's not really "officially" binding for anyone to follow it, it merely shows AC's opinions, which are q...

"Azidonis" wrote: 93,The full text can be found online here, and many other places. Enjoy the debate.93 93/93___________ While I think la...

"Camlion" wrote: "Patriarch156" wrote: "Camlion" wrote: "Patriarch156" wrote: "Camlion" ...

"Camlion" wrote: "Patriarch156" wrote: "Camlion" wrote: "Patriarch156" wrote: Crowley certainly thou...

"Camlion" wrote: "Patriarch156" wrote: Crowley certainly thought[] so if going from his words in Duty. Well, apparently this...

"wolf354" wrote: 93,I've watched an Egyptian leader yesterday talking about how the Muslims are already expecting that sooner or later thei...

"OKontrair" wrote: I am sure that is very interesting to lots of people but this really isn't the place for it. Even though it's your origi...

"Azidonis" wrote: 93, "Grutas" wrote: "The Word, which none but a Magus can receive from the Secret Chiefs and transmit to membe...

Los, just a brief note as that is all I have time for right now. I am well aware of its usage, it is just that noone in the 20 years I have been invol...

"HG" wrote: To continue my analogy, Catholic scientists and engineers who use Newton's equations are not pestered by people claiming: "If ...

"HG" wrote: "the_real_simon_iff" wrote: But I will leave him with Los tapping their shoulders. It must be so hard for you both...

"Los" wrote: See, here’s the problem, Camlion. All you can do is point to stuff that Crowley writes and then say silly things like, “Oh, yo...